winuae sound quality test released

Toni Wilen · 21 April 2002, 14:44

Download and report! http://www.winuae.net/

Set sound to 16-bit and frequency to 22050Hz/44100Hz/48000Hz.
Report also lowest sound buffer position that still produces (nearly) good quality sound. (usually it is somewhere between 1-4)

and finally, does sound work better than 0821's? or 0817's sound?

21 April 2002, 16:40

I tested Big Time Sensuality demo with it.

Given the same config, this test version gives very close or the same result as r2. It's very good but I cannot decide if it's as good as r2 or just unnoticably close to it. It's explicitly a lot better than r3.

Toni Wilen · 21 April 2002, 17:05

Can you decrease size of sound buffer without any bad side-effects now?

21 April 2002, 17:16

I can lower buffer size from 4 to 3. The difference is not much but noticeable, it skips a bit. I'd rather keep it at 4.

By the way, some parts of this demo like the AGA plasma effect part, sound is plain horrible with any configuration and any winuae so I'm just saying if it's better or worse compared to older versions but I'm not saying it works perfectly.

Toni Wilen · 21 April 2002, 17:26

Quote:

By the way, some parts of this demo like the AGA plasma effect part, sound is plain horrible

This is not sound code's fault. It is your pc that is too slow

Complex copper effects require huge amounts of cpu power...

Paul · 21 April 2002, 17:31

The sound is much better

I can now set the sound to 3 in OCS Mode.

Well I have just formatted and reinstalled my PC so cannot say properly

EDIT
Just tried Big Time Sensuality demo and have the same results as Burseg and have to turn frame skip to 2 sound to 4 to get better sound.

Anyway keep up the great work Toni

21 April 2002, 17:53

Quote:

This is not sound code's fault. It is your pc that is too slow Complex copper effects require huge amounts of cpu power...

That's what I had in mind

andreas · 21 April 2002, 18:12

for anybody:
Do not use 8 bit sound setting.
It might cause crackles while playing sound.
Only 16 bit works for me with the beta.

Ian · 21 April 2002, 19:19

I find this beta version terrible.

It sounds to me like it doesn't play all channels properly, and Nine Fingers sounds shit, some of the instuments are missing.

0.8.21r3 plays it fine though. But I do have a VIA motherboard (A-Bit KR7A) and a Sound Blaster Audigy which might be causing the problem.

And on the subject of Big Time Sensuality, well you must need one HELL of a system to emulate that properly, my XP1800+ can't do it.

And another thing I've noticed, if you get behind with the sound buffer it really f*cks up the sound until you press F12 and let it catch up with itself.

In my opinion this release makes things worse, but hey, I have the sound buffer set to 1 anyway without any problems with the other releases so I guess it's not really aimed at me.

21 April 2002, 19:32

Quote:

my XP1800+ can't do it.

Hmm, then I'll delay my upgrade plans until AMD clawhammer is out. It's a shame that modern PCs suck at emulating a 10yr old computer. LOL.

Ian · 21 April 2002, 19:34

Oh, can someone else test the Nine Fingers demo and see if it's the same for them please

Paul · 21 April 2002, 19:41

Quote:

Originally posted by Ian
Oh, can someone else test the Nine Fingers demo and see if it's the same for them please

Just tested Nine Fingers Demo on my Win98 SE AMD1000, SB Live 5.1 and had no problems with the sound!

Toni Wilen · 21 April 2002, 20:15

Ian, did you try sound buffer sizes 2 or 3?

Ian · 21 April 2002, 21:08

I did, but strangly, it's working now.

I doesn't seem to matter what sound buffer size I choose either. Might have been a dodgy connection of one of my 5.1 speakers.

Toni Wilen · 21 April 2002, 21:22

Quote:

I did, but strangly, it's working now.

I also noticed strange sound problem when I was testing winuae on my brother's pc: winuae's sound is very bad if winamp is open! (in stopped state) Probably another SB Live problem or something...

jmmijo · 21 April 2002, 21:45

Quote:

Originally posted by Toni Wilen
I also noticed strange sound problem when I was testing winuae on my brother's pc: winuae's sound is very bad if winamp is open! (in stopped state) Probably another SB Live problem or something...

One thing I've noticed is that the SB Live/Audigy series is that the drivers and/or hardware really hogs the DMA and PCI bus

Not sure if this is by design or what? Could also be just poor driver coding too

Djay · 21 April 2002, 23:08

tested on :-

P2 350
256mb SDram
SB Player 1024

tested with :-

State of the Art [spaceballs]

result :-

(sound buffer set to 1, 8-bit) sound is crackley, frame rate drops.
(sound buffer set to max, 16-bit) sound is perfect, but 2 sec gaps every five or so seconds.

Mclane · 22 April 2002, 03:15

Quote:

Originally posted by Toni Wilen
Download and report! http://www.winuae.net/

Big thumbs up here..

Under XP I got no probs (its toughest test) and I also have a 5.1 sound card.

Excellent fix by all involved!!

Toni Wilen · 22 April 2002, 17:36

Quote:

sound is perfect, but 2 sec gaps every five or so seconds.

Do you have NTSC enabled? (I just noticed NTSC-mode's sound seems to be broken in recent winuae releases..)

22 April 2002, 18:29

System specs

Athlon XP700+
ECS KS75A mobo
512MB pc133 cas 2
ATI radeon 7500
SIS 7012 sound
40GB WD HD

Tested the beta against r3 on the following demos.

Big time sensuality
Real (Complex)
Burning Chrome (Haujobb)

Beta was worse than r3 until I enabled V-sync then for some reason the sound was almost perfect at 16bit 44100khz with sound buffer set to 4.

I would have thought the sound would be worse at the faster speed (i.e running at 60Hz with v-sync enabled) as opposed to simulated 50Hz.

All demo`s reacted the same to the v-sync enabling, except the real AGA plasma part of BTS which was expected after reading previous posts.

21 April 2002, 14:44	#1
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	winuae sound quality test released Download and report! http://www.winuae.net/ Set sound to 16-bit and frequency to 22050Hz/44100Hz/48000Hz. Report also lowest sound buffer position that still produces (nearly) good quality sound. (usually it is somewhere between 1-4) and finally, does sound work better than 0821's? or 0817's sound? Last edited by Toni Wilen; 22 April 2002 at 08:27.

21 April 2002, 17:31	#6
Paul RIP Friends Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: UK Posts: 2,157	The sound is much better I can now set the sound to 3 in OCS Mode. Well I have just formatted and reinstalled my PC so cannot say properly EDIT Just tried Big Time Sensuality demo and have the same results as Burseg and have to turn frame skip to 2 sound to 4 to get better sound. Anyway keep up the great work Toni Last edited by Paul; 21 April 2002 at 17:38.

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21 April 2002, 16:40	#2
oldpx Posts: n/a	I tested Big Time Sensuality demo with it. Given the same config, this test version gives very close or the same result as r2. It's very good but I cannot decide if it's as good as r2 or just unnoticably close to it. It's explicitly a lot better than r3.

21 April 2002, 17:05	#3
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	Can you decrease size of sound buffer without any bad side-effects now?

21 April 2002, 17:16	#4
oldpx Posts: n/a	I can lower buffer size from 4 to 3. The difference is not much but noticeable, it skips a bit. I'd rather keep it at 4. By the way, some parts of this demo like the AGA plasma effect part, sound is plain horrible with any configuration and any winuae so I'm just saying if it's better or worse compared to older versions but I'm not saying it works perfectly.

21 April 2002, 18:12	#8
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	for anybody: Do not use 8 bit sound setting. It might cause crackles while playing sound. Only 16 bit works for me with the beta.

21 April 2002, 19:19	#9
Ian Global Moderator Join Date: May 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 46 Posts: 2,287	I find this beta version terrible. It sounds to me like it doesn't play all channels properly, and Nine Fingers sounds shit, some of the instuments are missing. 0.8.21r3 plays it fine though. But I do have a VIA motherboard (A-Bit KR7A) and a Sound Blaster Audigy which might be causing the problem. And on the subject of Big Time Sensuality, well you must need one HELL of a system to emulate that properly, my XP1800+ can't do it. And another thing I've noticed, if you get behind with the sound buffer it really f*cks up the sound until you press F12 and let it catch up with itself. In my opinion this release makes things worse, but hey, I have the sound buffer set to 1 anyway without any problems with the other releases so I guess it's not really aimed at me.

21 April 2002, 19:34	#11
Ian Global Moderator Join Date: May 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 46 Posts: 2,287	Oh, can someone else test the Nine Fingers demo and see if it's the same for them please

21 April 2002, 20:15	#13
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	Ian, did you try sound buffer sizes 2 or 3?

21 April 2002, 21:08	#14
Ian Global Moderator Join Date: May 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 46 Posts: 2,287	I did, but strangly, it's working now. I doesn't seem to matter what sound buffer size I choose either. Might have been a dodgy connection of one of my 5.1 speakers.

21 April 2002, 23:08	#17
Djay 95th User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Brighton/UK Age: 48 Posts: 3,120	tested on :- P2 350 256mb SDram SB Player 1024 tested with :- State of the Art [spaceballs] result :- (sound buffer set to 1, 8-bit) sound is crackley, frame rate drops. (sound buffer set to max, 16-bit) sound is perfect, but 2 sec gaps every five or so seconds.

22 April 2002, 18:29	#20
Darkseid Posts: n/a	System specs Athlon XP700+ ECS KS75A mobo 512MB pc133 cas 2 ATI radeon 7500 SIS 7012 sound 40GB WD HD Tested the beta against r3 on the following demos. Big time sensuality Real (Complex) Burning Chrome (Haujobb) Beta was worse than r3 until I enabled V-sync then for some reason the sound was almost perfect at 16bit 44100khz with sound buffer set to 4. I would have thought the sound would be worse at the faster speed (i.e running at 60Hz with v-sync enabled) as opposed to simulated 50Hz. All demo`s reacted the same to the v-sync enabling, except the real AGA plasma part of BTS which was expected after reading previous posts.

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