23 March 2018, 19:01 | #61 | |
Registered User
Join Date: May 2001
Location: ?
Posts: 19,645
|
Quote:
That has nothing to do with tailored advertising. If this was just about seeing a bunch of creepily accurate ads, I wouldn't be talking about it. We had those for a long while, starting with Google, and they can easily be dealt with. And Mark Zuckerberg himself has come out this week to talk about this unfolding case and basically saying "we fucked up". It's sad though that this basically ended up in me being put in the "tinfoil hat" corner. I go back to not understanding why people would defend a corporation like Facebook. It's mind blowing. Last edited by Amiga1992; 23 March 2018 at 19:30. |
|
23 March 2018, 20:31 | #62 |
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: .
Age: 48
Posts: 5,562
|
right, because the internet providers's mission is really to empower the users, not to earn money because of them. Or a football championship is about sport not about stadium subscriptions or advertising, or finance investment.
|
23 March 2018, 23:52 | #63 | |||
Ex nihilo nihil
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: CH
Posts: 4,856
|
Quote:
What I dislike actually with the kind of argument you are providing here, it's that you never mention what can be called the "collateral damages". Indeed if you (as a person) are a user of the "GAFAM...", indirectly you force the people NOT wanting to use theses services to also share informations when dealing with you. I will only mention three examples (without too much exaggeration ) : 1) On FB, when you post a picture (family, diner, holidays, landscape (with other people), when you get smashed, etc.), you also provide informations about the other people that are on the picture. Did you ask them if they agreed ? It's not only the picture that you post, it's also all the informations contained in the EXIF data of the picture (date, time, gps coordinates, etc.). Did you know that FB use for some time now a facial recognition algorithm ? And don't tell me that you can turn it off. Examples are legions where options are suddenly "on" due to a bug... Look at windows 10 . 2) On your mobile phone you install messenger. "Nicely" the application can look through ALL your contacts to search for friends (and suck them up). So now, depending on which informations you save with your contacts, FB has access to your <put any name from your contact's list>'s picture, birthdate, phone number, e-mail, physical address, etc. . Again did you asked the people in your contact list that are NOT using FB if they agreed to share their informations with this "social network" ? 3) Outside FB, GMail/etc. is also "nice" as they scan ALL your messages (and not only for viruses). So let's say somebody not using gmail want to inform you about "private" stuff and send you an e-mail to your gmail address... Better meet you in a restaurant as I think it will be more private than by e-mail . People consider that it is abnormal if a phone company "listen" to their conversations BUT will find normal if informations are sucked up from internet ? Sorry but this is something out of the scope of my comprehension . Quote:
Don't take it personally Daedalus but either you are stupid, either you just like to lie. Indeed, how can you pretend that these services are free as people have to give something in return... Take any dictionary and look at the definition of the word 'free' . Quote:
With a closer look you will see that most of the companies providing paid services are cheaper than the pretending "free" ones. Back in the day already, Soljenitsyne said : « Our freedom is built on what others do not know about our lives ». Even if this is a little bit strong, I am part of these people who think that it is not because they have nothing to hide that they have to share everything with everybody. Everything is a question of proportion... Last edited by malko; 24 July 2019 at 13:32. Reason: changed BiT -> BitD |
|||
24 March 2018, 00:02 | #64 |
Global Moderator
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Derby, UK
Age: 46
Posts: 2,287
|
For me social media will never replace a forum, for the simple reason everyone in the world will not know the extent of my nerdyness, sure they know I am a nerd, but they do not know how deep it runs.
And if they do know, like BippyM my only friend of facebook that posts here, well, they have it too |
24 March 2018, 00:03 | #65 |
cheeky scoundrel
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Spijkenisse/Netherlands
Age: 42
Posts: 6,908
|
|
24 March 2018, 00:12 | #66 |
Ex nihilo nihil
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: CH
Posts: 4,856
|
With this sentence I am only insisting on the point that I want to say something frankly without aggressing him. You know, when you speak friendly eyes-to-eyes and the person in front of you understand.
|
24 March 2018, 00:15 | #67 | |||
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Dublin, then Glasgow
Posts: 6,334
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
|||
24 March 2018, 00:28 | #68 |
Ruler of the Universe
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Lanzarote/Spain
Posts: 6,185
|
Facebook is something good when you want to share something with everybody, but I've got the idea that some people -like they are in real live- just want to show that they've got "more...whatever" than you've got and they get mad trying to prove that.
Don't take me as an envious guy, it's just that I wouldn't take so much time to take photos or videos while I'm enjoying something; I just enjoy that time -I can take photos and videos- but I forget about the social media. Well, in fact I'm the one that asks you later for some video just because I've been so "busy" in the party... and in fact they've recorded you . I just think that I prefer to have those memories in my memory than in the pendrive or in Facebook... Of course (that's another important thing) I wouldn't share my best/private moments with a hundred of people that you've got as "friends" there... But well, your friends or family certainly can publish them I think you understand what I'm telling. In fact it's a bit of the old "hidden" story about "My car is better/newer/faster/more expensive" than yours, neighbour", and that's was at least back in the 60's; surely before... Last edited by Retrofan; 24 March 2018 at 01:01. |
24 March 2018, 00:30 | #69 |
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: New Forest
Posts: 196
|
Difficult for me to comment about Facebook or Twitter cus I have never used them. I guess I don't get hung up with social media cus it is pretty much useless to me. What concerns me more is the plethora of self important nobodies that populate the so called news and media sites , tweeting on their phones as some kind of substitute for real journalism. Just get so sick of it, and why....
Well in the days of the serious magazine publications I read the articles cus I wanted to learn something, or to find something out about a product. Over time of using certain publications I became aware of certain journalists views and warmed to those that I respected. But, all the time the articles were professional , well documented and informative. Fast forward to today and what has happened.... serious journalism has all but vanished along with the publications, and been replaced with... endless ' LOL, idiot. Use to play with him. Doesn't know his left from his right foot.... ' signed empty barrel. And on and on... Even the president of the US does it, I am told. And so I think the villain of the peace is actually the ease with which a telephone message can populate a post. And the entertainment value that generates, given that the posters always try to one-up each other as a way of obtaining some kind of self importance. Its so obvious that many of the forums and social media sites are just ways by which ordinary folk can get some kind of joy out of feeling part of their own social circle. What ever makes you happy. Sadly, though, we do seem to have lost the professional journalist in all of this and voices that actually were trustworthy. When I read some of the forums and answers to supposed serious questions, not necessarily here by the way, I am reminded of that old saying .. empty barrels make the most sound.. or tweets.. or blogs. Me , I'm an empty barrel, but then this is the era of the internet mouther... or verbal jouster. So anything goes.... at least it gets folk writing. Unfortunately way too many words.. way too many words. But sadly like food without taste, never really filling. I really do miss the magazines... especially the Amiga ones. |
24 March 2018, 00:46 | #70 | ||||||||||||||
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Dublin, then Glasgow
Posts: 6,334
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
||||||||||||||
24 March 2018, 01:36 | #71 |
Banana
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Darmstadt
Posts: 1,213
|
Unless you're a subsistence farmer living in a cash only economy, some corporation has information on you and is using it to increase sales in some way. Unavoidable consequence of modern life. I'm nowhere near interesting enough to bother hacking, or having my details data mined. They'd find that Iike cats and antiquated computers. Whoop for them.
The biggest downside to closed data spaces like Facebook is the lack of record. No way back machine for Facebook posts. |
24 March 2018, 01:50 | #72 |
Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Amigaplanet
Posts: 645
|
For sure we do not want every Facebook and Twitter and Instagram User... These people cannot read, they even post questions as picture, cannot wait, cannot follow rulez...
|
24 March 2018, 01:55 | #73 |
Moderator
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 3,375
|
EAB is an Ultimate Amiga forum! It's a great place to be!
|
24 March 2018, 01:56 | #74 |
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Germany
Posts: 3,303
|
Seems that Daedalus eab account was taken over by someone. If not, you should inform yourself about it.
|
24 March 2018, 02:20 | #75 |
Ruler of the Universe
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Lanzarote/Spain
Posts: 6,185
|
About what you can actually find as "news or informatives" as your first instance (afortunately there are still some free ones online) or what you can actually get in related Tv channnels or... The WORST, as it's nowadays taken as a reference to work with as it is "WikiPedia" that is supossed to be updated with opinions, updates and so, and as you can see by yourself that's a complete lie and that you can't not change a single word about politic or historical terms...
Maybe you can think at that instance; when you are trying to update or change that information that is completely wrong and then it happens that at that same moment that you are trying to update it, then it has also been changed, it was some other guy thinking just the same that was in fact already written... But you really can see that your update of that page has been just deleted in second 0 by the coded engine that the site has built in. You can keep trying to update the page forever, but if you persist -the page will always stay the same- what you'll only find is a warning from Wikipedia about taking your out. So... read while you can the "1984 book by George Orwell", but please read this post fast before this same page of this thread gets changed... Edit: Do you remember two days ago something about a corporation that has some relationship about Trump's being elected and the british people deciding to leave the euro?. I suposse that you surely didn't see it or maybe you will forget that very soon as NO news about that will be found. Here in Spain we've got a lot of proverbs or made phrases, and one we've got is "Ojos que no ven, corazón que no siente"; "Eyes that can't see, heart that can't feel". So if you don't see what has happened -or if you only see a version of it- then you won't worry about that. And also, on the contrary if they want you to concern and -get your vote- against whatever, then you'll find something about that everywere. Edit: Just to comment if you didn't know that best lies are the half-truth ones. Half of true, half of complete shit, joined all together. If you are a politic and you've been bombered with that news then you can of course get a lawer and so, but in the case that you win that process even, it won't be published so intensively, so you'll be culprit just forever. Last edited by Retrofan; 24 March 2018 at 04:22. |
24 March 2018, 02:40 | #76 | ||
Ex nihilo nihil
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: CH
Posts: 4,856
|
Already in 2013 (5 years ago) : I am sure you have heard about the shadow profile .
Quote:
For the others points, allow me to answer with this citation : Quote:
|
||
24 March 2018, 03:50 | #77 |
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: USA
Posts: 2,902
|
My worthless unsourced opinion-social media is not killing Amiga. Some people that can't figure out how to register on an Amiga forum, but did figure out to register on the Facespaces-somehow, might feel less weird about talking about Amiga stuff there than it would posting on some Amiga forum like this one.
There is one Amiga related Facetube that provides regular entertainment and some amount of existential dread that I do enjoy. |
24 March 2018, 08:50 | #78 |
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: USA
Posts: 728
|
yeah phake5 page is funny
|
24 March 2018, 08:58 | #79 | |
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: USA
Posts: 728
|
Quote:
if later on in life when they are older and decide to make a presence online then that is there choice but till then not happenin on another note i just had a online school hack which my kids use as we home school luckily was found out that they just missed me but they are giving out lifelock for a year to everyone effected which itself is dumb as the hacker knows that now |
|
24 March 2018, 09:06 | #80 |
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: USA
Posts: 728
|
here is another reason i hate facebook cause of that site me and my father got into a fight cause he did what i asked him not to do with my kids then we didnt talk for months then he just died so we never made up
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | |
Thread Tools | |
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Amiga crackers in the media | bitman | Amiga scene | 3 | 18 February 2015 15:35 |
Addicted to Amiga forums? | DDNI | Retrogaming General Discussion | 21 | 04 October 2011 16:21 |
Amiga forums | AlfaRomeo | Coders. General | 2 | 29 October 2009 17:42 |
Notification of new messages in Social Groups | Graham Humphrey | project.EAB | 5 | 15 October 2008 08:25 |
Search all the major Amiga forums in one go | dreamkatcha | Amiga scene | 4 | 09 November 2006 15:43 |
|
|