WinFellow vs. WinUAE

amiga · 16 September 2004, 12:01

WinUAE is too resource hungry.
While WinFellow can run happily on a PII at full speed, WinUAE simply can't.
U should consider optimizing WinUAE code, Toni. Not everyone can afford a P4 3GHz.
Show us you're a capable programmer

Maybe u could do 2 versions: one for just A500 (highly optimized as Winfellow), another for "serious" workbench uses.

Ever thought of incorporating Winfellow code into Winuae? It is open source, so no legal problem.

wlcina · 16 September 2004, 12:12

I have plenty of resources I think ;-) no problem for me. Compatibility should be first priority

16 September 2004, 12:42

I think WinUAE's aim is ultimately accurate amiga emulation no matter whatever it takes. I didn't use winfellow for ages but winuae should be a lot faster than winfellow in workbench tasks because it has JIT. As for old games, I could use winuae on my old athlon 800 and didn't have any problems except skipping sound. No software developer should bother targeting an outdated configuration, in fact anything below 2ghz is simply unavailable here. I'm sure Toni has important priorities rather than getting WinUAE to work on a hardware that wouldn't run any other modern application or os at reasonable speeds.

RetroMan · 16 September 2004, 12:48

Here´s a little quote from the FAQ at WinUAEs site

Quote:

Recent WinUAE versions are slower than for example WinUAE 0.8.8.
- UAE's main goal is compatibility, not speed.

Marcuz · 16 September 2004, 13:12

yep on my old Athlon 1000 Winuae ran fine too, and i think i had also used it on an pentium 166 (ok there it was slow)

16 September 2004, 13:15

Just remembered that I had a p2-350 when I was using 0.8.8r8.

amiga · 16 September 2004, 14:04

Tried 0.8.6 and 0.8.8r8. They stutter as hell on my PII-400.
I think I'll use WinFellow for a500 games & demos. It's a joy to use a well-coded emulator that runs smooth as silk on a PII :-)

7-Zark-7 · 16 September 2004, 14:07

To a degree I also think it relates to needs & wants too-personally I haven't updated since 0822r8,according to a quick check-but given my lowly late-gen socket 370/PIII based specs (& more so that I'm perfectly happy with the compatibility of the games I like to play under WinUAE), I have no reason to contstantly go for the latest & greatest.

Unless there's a specific game that you can't run under an older version of WinUAE,then you should stick with the old,after all if it ain't broke....

turk182 · 16 September 2004, 14:35

Quote:

It's a joy to use a well-coded emulator that runs smooth as silk on a PII :-)

are you suggesting winuae is badly coded? , I dont understand the logic in this at all...
And suggesting an optimised version doesnt help ? , you think parts of winuae arent optimised?

nnever2000 · 16 September 2004, 16:48

Winuae run good on my p3 1000 Mhz, even with 'cycle accurate' option. I think that latest winuae release are super-optimized!

WinFellow has very trashed compatibility!

Hillsy_ · 16 September 2004, 17:15

Yep WinUAE works fine on my Athlon700Mhz PC. I have trouble with Jim Powers music skipping sometimes, but all other games seem to run fine for me. Some features maybe be missing, such as the graphical glitch on Super Stardust's tunnel section, but I haven't had many problems...I am impressed with WinUAE.

@Amiga - Which version are you using? Try and use an earlier version. I am not running the latest version, I am using 0.8.2.5(6) for the games. The games work fine even on my lowely Athlon700Mhz.

- Hillsy.

PS: Keep up the good work Toni!!

wlcina · 16 September 2004, 17:21

Winuae works very well on my laptop, no problem!

andreas · 16 September 2004, 17:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burseg

Just remembered that I had a p2-350 when I was using 0.8.8r8.

And this was NOT sufficient, not even back in 1999!

R-Type II was unplayable with "Amiga configuration", i. e. 1/1 frameskip (smoothest possible scrolling) and stereo sound!
I had to use 1/2 or (with Ruff 'n Tumble) 1/3 frameskip!
And this meant that scrolling really went down the drain and almost killed my eyes.

Not to speak about AGA games (Chaos Engine AGA!) which simply *could* *not* be played on a PII with sound on, not even with 0.8.8 R8!
Sound stuttered like hell.
And would you have wanted to play with silence all around you?

So don't try to tell me in 0.8.8 R8 times everything was just perfect.

You needed a VERY expensive PIII to use WinUAE in full effect and speed. (Remember, this was in about 1999

)

amiga · 16 September 2004, 18:16

Well said Andreas. It's just what I was saying.

WinFellow allows no frame skipping and stereo sound on a PII, running smoothly.
OK, WinFellow may have some incompatibilities, and I really hope they'll be fixed soon.

spiff · 16 September 2004, 18:36

I thought UAE kicked the crap out of fellow when using JIT?

16 September 2004, 19:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by andreas

And this was NOT sufficient, not even back in 1999!

Right, it wasn't. I said that for nostalgia

Still you could choose to listen your own music and play without sound

Quote:

Well said Andreas. It's just what I was saying.

But a p2 in 2004 is a different thing, the machine is retro itself

I have nothing against using it to emulate but that's not realistic to expect improvements for it.

Quote:

I thought UAE kicked the crap out of fellow when using JIT?

You think right but JIT is usually inaccurate with games.

Toni Wilen · 16 September 2004, 20:14

First, I was not really interested in replying for obvious reasons but..

1: UAE is about compatibility, either buy a faster PC, use Fellow or shut up

2: Slowest PC I have is 866MHz P3 laptop.

3: modern "slow" (1GHz+) CPUs and mainboards are really cheap.

4: I don't have any support contracts.. I don't care about old PCs. I also don't care about old Windows versions (I'd be more than happy to drop Windows9x-support) I don't want to do separate ultra-basic emulation core for slow systems. (exception: I can try to help if someone tries to do PDA or smartphone ports..)

btw, I got about 40% CPU usage at 50fps (using above laptop) with minimal configuration while running Turrican II. (320x240, lores, no doubling are the most important settings) -> I'd guess about 500MHz is absolute minimum CPU frequency without need for frame skip.

ervin · 16 September 2004, 22:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by amiga

Show us you're a capable programmer

Oh please.

I think Toni's programming abilities speak for themselves.

jmmijo · 16 September 2004, 22:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by ervin

Oh please.

I think Toni's programming abilities speak for themselves.

As do I

BippyM · 16 September 2004, 23:00

I think some ppl want too much!

Toni does this for pleasure, and not directly for you or anyone else!

Be appreciative of what he is doing, he gets no rewards or incentives to continue.. don't be such a tight twat and buy a semi-decent PC!!!

16 September 2004, 12:01	#1
amiga Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Amiga_land Posts: 443	WinFellow vs. WinUAE WinUAE is too resource hungry. While WinFellow can run happily on a PII at full speed, WinUAE simply can't. U should consider optimizing WinUAE code, Toni. Not everyone can afford a P4 3GHz. Show us you're a capable programmer Maybe u could do 2 versions: one for just A500 (highly optimized as Winfellow), another for "serious" workbench uses. Ever thought of incorporating Winfellow code into Winuae? It is open source, so no legal problem.

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16 September 2004, 12:12	#2
wlcina Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Czech republic Posts: 580	I have plenty of resources I think ;-) no problem for me. Compatibility should be first priority

16 September 2004, 12:42	#3
oldpx Posts: n/a	I think WinUAE's aim is ultimately accurate amiga emulation no matter whatever it takes. I didn't use winfellow for ages but winuae should be a lot faster than winfellow in workbench tasks because it has JIT. As for old games, I could use winuae on my old athlon 800 and didn't have any problems except skipping sound. No software developer should bother targeting an outdated configuration, in fact anything below 2ghz is simply unavailable here. I'm sure Toni has important priorities rather than getting WinUAE to work on a hardware that wouldn't run any other modern application or os at reasonable speeds.

16 September 2004, 13:12	#5
Marcuz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: . Age: 48 Posts: 5,562	yep on my old Athlon 1000 Winuae ran fine too, and i think i had also used it on an pentium 166 (ok there it was slow)

16 September 2004, 13:15	#6
oldpx Posts: n/a	Just remembered that I had a p2-350 when I was using 0.8.8r8.

16 September 2004, 14:04	#7
amiga Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Amiga_land Posts: 443	Tried 0.8.6 and 0.8.8r8. They stutter as hell on my PII-400. I think I'll use WinFellow for a500 games & demos. It's a joy to use a well-coded emulator that runs smooth as silk on a PII :-)

16 September 2004, 14:07	#8
7-Zark-7 Zone Friend Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Brisbane/Australia Posts: 1,270	To a degree I also think it relates to needs & wants too-personally I haven't updated since 0822r8,according to a quick check-but given my lowly late-gen socket 370/PIII based specs (& more so that I'm perfectly happy with the compatibility of the games I like to play under WinUAE), I have no reason to contstantly go for the latest & greatest. Unless there's a specific game that you can't run under an older version of WinUAE,then you should stick with the old,after all if it ain't broke....

16 September 2004, 16:48	#10
nnever2000 Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: italy Posts: 138	Winuae run good on my p3 1000 Mhz, even with 'cycle accurate' option. I think that latest winuae release are super-optimized! WinFellow has very trashed compatibility!

16 September 2004, 17:15	#11
Hillsy_ Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: West Yorkshire, UK Age: 51 Posts: 258	Yep WinUAE works fine on my Athlon700Mhz PC. I have trouble with Jim Powers music skipping sometimes, but all other games seem to run fine for me. Some features maybe be missing, such as the graphical glitch on Super Stardust's tunnel section, but I haven't had many problems...I am impressed with WinUAE. @Amiga - Which version are you using? Try and use an earlier version. I am not running the latest version, I am using 0.8.2.5(6) for the games. The games work fine even on my lowely Athlon700Mhz. - Hillsy. PS: Keep up the good work Toni!!

16 September 2004, 17:21	#12
wlcina Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Czech republic Posts: 580	Winuae works very well on my laptop, no problem!

16 September 2004, 18:16	#14
amiga Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Amiga_land Posts: 443	Well said Andreas. It's just what I was saying. WinFellow allows no frame skipping and stereo sound on a PII, running smoothly. OK, WinFellow may have some incompatibilities, and I really hope they'll be fixed soon.

16 September 2004, 18:36	#15
spiff Oh noes! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Neverland Posts: 766	I thought UAE kicked the crap out of fellow when using JIT?

16 September 2004, 20:14	#17
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,518	First, I was not really interested in replying for obvious reasons but.. 1: UAE is about compatibility, either buy a faster PC, use Fellow or shut up 2: Slowest PC I have is 866MHz P3 laptop. 3: modern "slow" (1GHz+) CPUs and mainboards are really cheap. 4: I don't have any support contracts.. I don't care about old PCs. I also don't care about old Windows versions (I'd be more than happy to drop Windows9x-support) I don't want to do separate ultra-basic emulation core for slow systems. (exception: I can try to help if someone tries to do PDA or smartphone ports..) btw, I got about 40% CPU usage at 50fps (using above laptop) with minimal configuration while running Turrican II. (320x240, lores, no doubling are the most important settings) -> I'd guess about 500MHz is absolute minimum CPU frequency without need for frame skip.

16 September 2004, 23:00	#20
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	I think some ppl want too much! Toni does this for pleasure, and not directly for you or anyone else! Be appreciative of what he is doing, he gets no rewards or incentives to continue.. don't be such a tight twat and buy a semi-decent PC!!!

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