Agony

gifgit · 27 September 2015, 15:16

Eventually got round to ripping main sprite completely plus death sprites. Took fooking ages but I`m pleased with the results. Next job : Map tiles and enemies.

gifgit · 27 September 2015, 17:12

Ok got the water so far, bloody dual playfield is a pain in the ass.

Edit: managed to bugger up colours on first go, all sorted now.

gifgit · 27 September 2015, 18:10

Got both playfields pretty much done and some enemies.

gifgit · 27 September 2015, 18:54

Got the boss done, thought I`d buggered up water colours again but the boss has its own water pallette.

gifgit · 27 September 2015, 18:57

Ripped background image.

gifgit · 27 September 2015, 20:27

Bird and plant and fish done.

Adrian Browne · 28 September 2015, 13:56

Nice.

gifgit · 28 September 2015, 15:47

Having to rip and recolour enemy sprites separately because they use different pallettes, and vary between 8 and 4 colours.

gifgit · 28 September 2015, 21:08

Still more to do but managed to recolour 3/4 1st level enemies.

ReadOnlyCat · 29 September 2015, 02:32

Great effort, thanks!

But man, the amount of waste in these 32x32 tiles is staggering.
Had they stored the tiles in a non-32-aligned manner they would have saved easily one third of the memory, if not half of it.

This reinforces my opinion that we are far from having seen the best of what is possible with stock Amigas, the low hanging fruit still has not been harvested.

Codetapper · 29 September 2015, 05:58

Isn't a lot of this already on Franck Sauer's website?

gifgit · 29 September 2015, 15:54

Yes it is on the site but it`s incomplete, that`s what gave me the inspriration to complete it, plus some of the sprites on the site are not the same as the game ( this may be due to changes in the game design or limits of memory)

ReadOnlyCat · 29 September 2015, 15:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Codetapper

Isn't a lot of this already on Franck Sauer's website?

Oh, I visited his site a few months back but did not recall if he had listed all tiles for all levels but it indeed looks like he did.

Well, I am sure gifgit learned a few things from ripping these tiles, this was not all wasted effort.

Update: Oops, looks like this was not complete after all (cf gifgit post).

gifgit · 29 September 2015, 20:28

Having trouble with the spinning sword sprites, they`re stored as hardware sprites with the owl but are so small that they are almost impossible to rip. Is there a way to slow Winuae down so I can take screenshots to fill in the missing gfx? Any help greatly appreciated.

Edit: sorted now, dropped the framerate to 1 and used screenshots

gifgit · 29 September 2015, 21:22

Nearly done the first level.

gifgit · 01 October 2015, 18:51

Done all lvl 1 enemies plus all common gfx I could find. This is gonna take a while

gifgit · 09 October 2015, 11:08

Got the front playfield from level 2 done, having major issues with the rear playfield. The tiles seem to vary between 2 and 3 bitplanes so getting them looking correct is a pain in the arse lol.

ReadOnlyCat · 09 October 2015, 15:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by gifgit

Got the front playfield from level 2 done, having major issues with the rear playfield. The tiles seem to vary between 2 and 3 bitplanes so getting them looking correct is a pain in the arse lol.

Great effort!
It is sensible to use a variable number of bitplanes per tile (or rather set of rules tiles) in order to reduce memory consumption. But they probably should have worked on using variable tile width/height instead: the amount of blank space in these already large tiles is enough to fit the entire tileset of Turrican I and II.

I am joking of course but by grouping multiple tiles together they could have easily reduced memory consumption by 1/4th to 1/3rd.

gifgit · 09 October 2015, 23:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReadOnlyCat

Great effort!
It is sensible to use a variable number of bitplanes per tile (or rather set of rules) in order to reduce memory consumption. But they probably should have worked on using variable tile width/height instead: the amount of blank space in these already large tiles is enough to fit the entire tileset of Turrican I and II.

I am joking of course but by grouping multiple tiles together they could have easily reduced memory consumption by 1/4th to 1/3rd.

Thanks, this only seems to be on level 2 so far ( I`ve started level 3 and the tiles seem more organised) I just want to get this game ripped properly because my very first post on the EAB was ripping the owl sprite. This was many years ago lol.

gifgit · 10 October 2015, 15:46

Can someone please upload the deluxe gfx ripper to the zone please, can`t find my old copy.

27 September 2015, 15:16	#1
gifgit Retarded and dribbling Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Immingham Age: 50 Posts: 443	Agony Eventually got round to ripping main sprite completely plus death sprites. Took fooking ages but I`m pleased with the results. Next job : Map tiles and enemies. Attached Thumbnails

27 September 2015, 17:12	#2
gifgit Retarded and dribbling Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Immingham Age: 50 Posts: 443	Ok got the water so far, bloody dual playfield is a pain in the ass. Edit: managed to bugger up colours on first go, all sorted now. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by gifgit; 27 September 2015 at 18:19.

27 September 2015, 18:10	#3
gifgit Retarded and dribbling Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Immingham Age: 50 Posts: 443	Got both playfields pretty much done and some enemies. Attached Thumbnails

27 September 2015, 18:54	#4
gifgit Retarded and dribbling Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Immingham Age: 50 Posts: 443	Got the boss done, thought I`d buggered up water colours again but the boss has its own water pallette. Attached Thumbnails

27 September 2015, 18:57	#5
gifgit Retarded and dribbling Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Immingham Age: 50 Posts: 443	Ripped background image. Attached Thumbnails

27 September 2015, 20:27	#6
gifgit Retarded and dribbling Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Immingham Age: 50 Posts: 443	Bird and plant and fish done. Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

28 September 2015, 13:56	#7
Adrian Browne Jackie Chan Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Ireland Age: 46 Posts: 985	Nice.

28 September 2015, 15:47	#8
gifgit Retarded and dribbling Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Immingham Age: 50 Posts: 443	Having to rip and recolour enemy sprites separately because they use different pallettes, and vary between 8 and 4 colours.

28 September 2015, 21:08	#9
gifgit Retarded and dribbling Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Immingham Age: 50 Posts: 443	Still more to do but managed to recolour 3/4 1st level enemies. Attached Thumbnails

29 September 2015, 02:32	#10
ReadOnlyCat Code Kitten Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Montreal/Canadia Age: 52 Posts: 1,178	Great effort, thanks! But man, the amount of waste in these 32x32 tiles is staggering. Had they stored the tiles in a non-32-aligned manner they would have saved easily one third of the memory, if not half of it. This reinforces my opinion that we are far from having seen the best of what is possible with stock Amigas, the low hanging fruit still has not been harvested.

29 September 2015, 05:58	#11
Codetapper 2 contact me: email only! Join Date: May 2001 Location: Auckland / New Zealand Posts: 3,182	Isn't a lot of this already on Franck Sauer's website?

29 September 2015, 15:54	#12
gifgit Retarded and dribbling Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Immingham Age: 50 Posts: 443	Yes it is on the site but it`s incomplete, that`s what gave me the inspriration to complete it, plus some of the sprites on the site are not the same as the game ( this may be due to changes in the game design or limits of memory)

29 September 2015, 20:28	#14
gifgit Retarded and dribbling Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Immingham Age: 50 Posts: 443	Having trouble with the spinning sword sprites, they`re stored as hardware sprites with the owl but are so small that they are almost impossible to rip. Is there a way to slow Winuae down so I can take screenshots to fill in the missing gfx? Any help greatly appreciated. Edit: sorted now, dropped the framerate to 1 and used screenshots Last edited by gifgit; 29 September 2015 at 21:20.

29 September 2015, 21:22	#15
gifgit Retarded and dribbling Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Immingham Age: 50 Posts: 443	Nearly done the first level. Attached Thumbnails

01 October 2015, 18:51	#16
gifgit Retarded and dribbling Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Immingham Age: 50 Posts: 443	Done all lvl 1 enemies plus all common gfx I could find. This is gonna take a while Attached Thumbnails Last edited by gifgit; 03 October 2015 at 17:30. Reason: stray pixels

09 October 2015, 11:08	#17
gifgit Retarded and dribbling Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Immingham Age: 50 Posts: 443	Got the front playfield from level 2 done, having major issues with the rear playfield. The tiles seem to vary between 2 and 3 bitplanes so getting them looking correct is a pain in the arse lol. Attached Thumbnails

10 October 2015, 15:46	#20
gifgit Retarded and dribbling Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Immingham Age: 50 Posts: 443	Can someone please upload the deluxe gfx ripper to the zone please, can`t find my old copy.

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