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30 July 2013, 22:04

Also, maybe the rip height adjustment (Y/H) should automatically increment/decrement in multiples of the BplHeight.

Seems the rip height adjustments always default to 16 regardless

Retro1234 · 07 September 2014, 12:28

If you have a Byte map with more than 255 $FF Tiles what would Maptapper expect or be the norm or could be the next value for 256,257 in Hex etc

Codetapper · 07 September 2014, 13:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boo Boo

If you have a Byte map with more than 255 $FF Tiles what would Maptapper expect or be the norm or could be the next value for 256,257 in Hex etc

I don't follow. If it's a byte map, how can you have a value higher than 255?

Retro1234 · 07 September 2014, 13:37

Ok thanks thats what I thought - how many tiles does CJ elephant use?
I was just turniing some pictures into maps and its not something I planed for - so went over 255 tiles - checked it in MapTapper and now obviously wrong tiles
Guess it cant be byte map

stainy · 05 December 2014, 19:11

Guys.. has anyone had any luck with save states from Kick off 2 or any of the expansion disks? I`m following the tutorial but I still see rubbish. I can make out what looks like something.. but not a tilemap ( I know they are used because I`ve extracted them with DDFS ) but I wanted to see if I can get at the muddy and icy pitches .

Codetapper · 05 December 2014, 19:19

Stainy: Where are these savestates? Have you uploaded them somewhere?

CodyJarrett · 05 December 2014, 19:29

I've uploaded pitch maps for Kick Off 2 to the Zone and the HOL:

http://hol.abime.net/2560/gamemap

stainy · 05 December 2014, 19:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Codetapper

Stainy: Where are these savestates? Have you uploaded them somewhere?

I can.. uploaded an uncompressed state after loading the icy pitch

stainy · 05 December 2014, 19:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by CodyJarrett

I've uploaded pitch maps for Kick Off 2 to the Zone and the HOL:

http://hol.abime.net/2560/gamemap

I have these.. there are four more. Icy, muddy, wembly and another.

CodyJarrett · 05 December 2014, 20:03

Are the four other pitches available in the standard Kick Off 2 or are they in the data disks?

CodyJarrett · 05 December 2014, 20:10

I can see these four in The Final Whistle: Bumpy, Muddy, Wembley, Icy

stainy · 05 December 2014, 20:14

They are in the data disk... although I do have a crack that doesn`t require the ko2 disk.

CodyJarrett · 05 December 2014, 20:15

I've uploaded extra four from The Final Whistle to the Zone.

stainy · 05 December 2014, 22:36

Thats brilliant...

thanks so much

Could you help me understand what I was doing wrong? I was running through the Toki tutorial to understand how to use it... was I way off??

CodyJarrett · 06 December 2014, 11:15

The tileset for Kick Off 2 is one big image of size 320x192, whereas Kid Gloves 2 from the tutorial has lots of 16x16 images. So the settings are:

Kick Off 2:
Bpl Width: 320
Bpl Height: 192

Kid Gloves 2
Bpl Width: 16
Bpl Height: 16

So in one case you have a single image and in the other case you have lots of small images.

For Kick Off 2 you then need to tell Maptapper what size the tiles are, so you have to set the "Actual tile size" to 16x16 on the Tile Ripper tab. After this you can use the Map Search to find the pitch from a screenshot.

If you are having trouble seeing anything in the "rubbish" (or The Matrix!) then it's usually best to set the width to something like 320 with only one bitplane and then scroll through the savestate looking for patterns (or text in this case):

stainy · 06 December 2014, 13:24

Great

thanks for the explanation. One last thing. How did you assemble it together to make the pitch?

CodyJarrett · 06 December 2014, 13:39

I first used the Map Search. I selected six tiles in the screenshot and then let Maptapper search for it.

There were lots of matches because that pattern of tiles appears numerous times around the stadium.

Then in the Map Ripper tab I used the drop down that lists the matches (e.g. Horiz $5AE7E Width 80 shift 0) and selected the first match. Maptapper thought that the tileset should be adjusted by 1 (the position of the tiles in the tileset changed a negative or positive number of times) but it didn't look right so I adjusted it myself and ended up with an adjustment of -1.

Finally, I also adjusted the start position of the map:

stainy · 07 December 2014, 19:42

Thats brilliant.. thanks very much.

Now I`ve tried to apply this to another Kick Off disk. A weird one by a cracking group ( Gigasoft )
This is based on the original Kick Off.. so i`m guessing sizes etc are different.
Would you mind, possibly taking a look at another state? see if you can extra the UAE pitch?

stainy · 15 December 2014, 02:07

Can anyone thats handy with maptapper help me out ?

Codetapper · 15 December 2014, 06:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by stainy

Can anyone thats handy with maptapper help me out ?

Ripped graphics and the Maptapper INI files are in the zone...

30 July 2013, 22:04	#41
TimRex Posts: n/a	Rip Height adjustment Also, maybe the rip height adjustment (Y/H) should automatically increment/decrement in multiples of the BplHeight. Seems the rip height adjustments always default to 16 regardless

06 December 2014, 11:15	#55
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,160	The tileset for Kick Off 2 is one big image of size 320x192, whereas Kid Gloves 2 from the tutorial has lots of 16x16 images. So the settings are: Kick Off 2: Bpl Width: 320 Bpl Height: 192 Kid Gloves 2 Bpl Width: 16 Bpl Height: 16 So in one case you have a single image and in the other case you have lots of small images. For Kick Off 2 you then need to tell Maptapper what size the tiles are, so you have to set the "Actual tile size" to 16x16 on the Tile Ripper tab. After this you can use the Map Search to find the pitch from a screenshot. If you are having trouble seeing anything in the "rubbish" (or The Matrix!) then it's usually best to set the width to something like 320 with only one bitplane and then scroll through the savestate looking for patterns (or text in this case): Last edited by CodyJarrett; 06 December 2014 at 11:22.

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07 September 2014, 12:28	#42
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	If you have a Byte map with more than 255 $FF Tiles what would Maptapper expect or be the norm or could be the next value for 256,257 in Hex etc

07 September 2014, 13:37	#44
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	Ok thanks thats what I thought - how many tiles does CJ elephant use? I was just turniing some pictures into maps and its not something I planed for - so went over 255 tiles - checked it in MapTapper and now obviously wrong tiles Guess it cant be byte map

05 December 2014, 19:11	#45
stainy Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Concord, NC, USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,712	Guys.. has anyone had any luck with save states from Kick off 2 or any of the expansion disks? I`m following the tutorial but I still see rubbish. I can make out what looks like something.. but not a tilemap ( I know they are used because I`ve extracted them with DDFS ) but I wanted to see if I can get at the muddy and icy pitches .

05 December 2014, 19:19	#46
Codetapper 2 contact me: email only! Join Date: May 2001 Location: Auckland / New Zealand Posts: 3,182	Stainy: Where are these savestates? Have you uploaded them somewhere?

05 December 2014, 19:29	#47
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,160	I've uploaded pitch maps for Kick Off 2 to the Zone and the HOL: http://hol.abime.net/2560/gamemap

05 December 2014, 20:03	#50
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,160	Are the four other pitches available in the standard Kick Off 2 or are they in the data disks?

05 December 2014, 20:10	#51
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,160	I can see these four in The Final Whistle: Bumpy, Muddy, Wembley, Icy

05 December 2014, 20:14	#52
stainy Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Concord, NC, USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,712	They are in the data disk... although I do have a crack that doesn`t require the ko2 disk.

05 December 2014, 20:15	#53
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,160	I've uploaded extra four from The Final Whistle to the Zone.

05 December 2014, 22:36	#54
stainy Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Concord, NC, USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,712	Thats brilliant... thanks so much Could you help me understand what I was doing wrong? I was running through the Toki tutorial to understand how to use it... was I way off??

06 December 2014, 13:24	#56
stainy Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Concord, NC, USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,712	Great thanks for the explanation. One last thing. How did you assemble it together to make the pitch?

06 December 2014, 13:39	#57
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,160	I first used the Map Search. I selected six tiles in the screenshot and then let Maptapper search for it. There were lots of matches because that pattern of tiles appears numerous times around the stadium. Then in the Map Ripper tab I used the drop down that lists the matches (e.g. Horiz $5AE7E Width 80 shift 0) and selected the first match. Maptapper thought that the tileset should be adjusted by 1 (the position of the tiles in the tileset changed a negative or positive number of times) but it didn't look right so I adjusted it myself and ended up with an adjustment of -1. Finally, I also adjusted the start position of the map:

07 December 2014, 19:42	#58
stainy Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Concord, NC, USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,712	Thats brilliant.. thanks very much. Now I`ve tried to apply this to another Kick Off disk. A weird one by a cracking group ( Gigasoft ) This is based on the original Kick Off.. so i`m guessing sizes etc are different. Would you mind, possibly taking a look at another state? see if you can extra the UAE pitch?

15 December 2014, 02:07	#59
stainy Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Concord, NC, USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,712	Can anyone thats handy with maptapper help me out ?

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