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Dino Dini Interview In Retro Gamer
This thread is probably on a one-way road to Flameland; if so, I apologise!
In issue 4 of Retro Gamer (a UK magazine dedicated to retrogaming), there is an interview with Dino Dini. It's been mentioned on numerous other forums since the issue game out. I couldn't keep going without talking about it. It's essentially an excuse to raise Kick Off to the heights of heaven, whilst putting down other football games. Here's the full interview, along with some highlights and comments from me. There's also a handy SelfMythologiserCounter? which measures the level of self-mythologising throughout the interview. Quote:
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So, there it is. Don't misunderstand me; both Kick Off 2 and Sensible Soccer have their unique places in gaming history. It's the attitude of the Kick Off group that infuriates me. At their worst, they display fundamental flaws in logic, make general comments (usually based on opinion or conjecture) and assume that they are plain facts, make wild statements without any evidence and offer a completely biased version of things. At their best, they grudgingly admit Sensible Soccer to be okay, but that the next step after graduation is Kick Off 2. I'm passionate about gaming and its past. I hate to see it being twisted and abused in this way. If I want to say anything here in particular here, it's that there are at least some of us unwilling to let this sort of disrespect for gaming history pass. |
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I wouldn't expect Dino Dini to make such "directly immature" comments. Even if he was pissed off because of sensi, he should still have been politically correct with whatever he said. Are you sure this is really him? This guy sounds like an ass
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26 June 2004, 09:20 | #3 |
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Well, Dino Dini was impersonated by somebody once before. They sent a letter to Amiga Power magazine, claiming to be him. This time it's genuine, I think.
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26 June 2004, 09:47 | #4 |
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Hehehe this sounds genuine to me too.. because Dino can be an ass.
I`ve spoken to him a fair amount, and he does exactly what it says on the tin ( that interview ) But Kick Off and Sensible are truly great games.. it has to be said.. people prefer either. So much has been said on this!! especially when Dino appeared on the KO-Gathering website a few years ago.. and again when that Mr Campbell surfaced too.. I did chuckle reading that well done Cody |
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Thanks for a great post Cody. As stated previously I am very suspicious of these 'Retro' mags whicha re poping up all over the shop as they are in effect rewriting history.
I enjoy KO2 but can't for one second agree with Deadball Dini. He seems to still be under the impression that the one man programming unit can alter the course of history. Sensible Software were a team which may suggest why Sensi cam out before Goal! and why they don't [dispite their success among some very different genres] take themselves too seriously. He's claims to have been ripped of by Sensi is very sad, as is the fact that he can't enjoy modern football games as they are just poor-man's projections of his unrealised creative prowess. Is is like Scott Adam's deriding Dungeon Master for ripping off his best ideas and retarding the development of adventure gaming for the last two decades. Bizarre. There is a way to combat this via our own work such as APoV. I hope that this project will remain regular and at least provide and unbiased compromise to such mythologizing nonsense. |
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I think it's a little strange that he accuse Sensi of ripping off Kick Off, when the fact is that they're both ripping off a real-world game called football.
Anyway, there's some more info about the new football game here: http://www.1up.com/article2/0,2053,1613691,00.asp I always preferred Sensi, but it's quite clear that Dino and the crew did something very right during the development of the KO-games. So I'm hoping they can bring some fun back into the genre. Last edited by kolorabi; 26 June 2004 at 12:18. |
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It's just cock waving.
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arrogance is an art! hmm, who`s group slogan was that? well, dino dini is exaggerating here...
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As I said..
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Arrogance, or maybe severe narkiness at loss of glamour/hero worship once some competition appeared on the horizon?
I was never a huge soccer game fan even in "the old days",although I did enjoy the occasional penalty-ridden bash of the original Kick Off, as I did Sensi's classic C64 Microprose Soccer before that. But the height of hypocrtitical claptrap is astonishing-so if someone does a game type, is Mr Dini suggesting that noone else would be allowed to program a rival game to better it? There certainly seems a touch of the green-eyed monster though-the fact that Sensi expanded from the original 2 man,(sometimes 3 including the brilliant Martin Galway of course), all conquering C64 crew to successfully expand & become one of the great 16bit crews said a lot for their collective talents. They hardly sat on their laurels & churned out a remix of the same old concept when you include games like Mega Lo Mania, Cannon Fodder, Sensi Golf etc., Wizkid (& the aformentioned C64 games before that from Jon Hare & Chris Yates). To last as long as they did,they must've done something right Dino! Probably sound a lot harsher than intended, but going off those alledged quotes it does smack of jealousy. |
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The sad thing about the 'retro' scene is that petty arguments that should have long been laid to rest have an excuse to keep cursing us with their presence. I really can't believe that Mr Dini really thinks this, it's surely a marketing ploy..
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maybeis is marketing,.. Im surprised of that declarations, I found his words very sensate when he was chating here in this forum. btw, I remember that when KickOff was released I thought "cool! a home computer game likes TechkanWorldCup".. I think that was the first seoccer game that used top down view,.. at least the first soccer game with that view and real success. |
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Hmmpff
Yeah wish I could go back to the time when I ordered KO2 from ANCO and was impatiently waiting for it to arrive. reading the WIP in The One magazine etc..
awww superb days! |
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after reading this all I can say is that dino dini is a wanker!
What's this thing about "sensible got into MY patch"?? WTF? when did he buy the universal license for making every football game exclusively? I didn't see the creator of Space Invaders saying such stupid shit as this. Is he really still making a football game ? Doens't he get bored? all fucking life doing football games which all are just like Kick Off? |
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In any case, Sensible Software acknowledged their debt to Kick Off in that they were Kick Off fans and it inspired them to make Sensible Soccer. This has now been stretched quite far by Dino, who claims to be the paterfamilias of Sensible Soccer while simultaneously denouncing it as a rip-off. The whole sorry state of affairs has an extra cherry of insanity on the rotten cake. Most of the Amiga Power team didn't like Kick Off (especially Stuart Campbell who had given it up and moved to Sensible Soccer when it appeared), so naturally this was a 'hate campaign'. This view was partly based on an incident where a Dino Dini impersonator sent a letter to the magazine. A subsequent issue contained an apology from Amiga Power. The hate campaign conspiracy theory was also apparently displayed by AP's attitude to Dino Dini and his games. Of course, if you do any research instead of just making vague comments about hate campaigns, it's clear that there is a mix of complimentary and uncomplimentary comments and scores for Dino Dini games/Kick Off throughout the history of AP. Perhaps there was a misunderstanding about AP in that they said what they really thought about games and angered many in the games industry who thought that magazines should be an extension of their own marketing teams. Anyway, Stuart Campbell may not be the most pleasant of people to get into an argument with, but at least he respects the sanctity of logic in what he says. The Kick Off hardcore, on the other hand, slavishly follow the Dino Dini gospel, spread malicious rumours and show little understanding of any kind of middle ground. |
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Egg-actly.
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by this and the other battle thread between campbell and the world, one cold be pulled to think that if one has the ability to code/design a footbal game and it has succes, chances are that he's a dumbass. mah!
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I think Exciting Soccer from 1982 has an overhead view of action.
And then Tehkan World Cup, which if I remeber correctly, is from 1985, also has an overhead view. And didn't Microprose Soccer had some kind of aftertouch way before Kick Off? |
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if they are as goods as KickOff in its days, theres no problem with me. Dont get bored JohnCarmack of make first person shooters?? Last edited by JudasEZT; 27 June 2004 at 13:44. |
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