Sonnet 7200 PCI programming - Page 86

grelbfarlk · 08 February 2018, 03:22

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Originally Posted by nexus

no 1.4rev can be either 100 or 133mhz says so in that datasheet also forgot that sonnet was 66mhz makes me wonder if it can run at 100mhz

has anyone tried setting the 66mhz part at 100mhz?

That would run the DRAM way faster than it is supposed to, maybe if we turned the RAM timing speeds way down. But the PLL_CFG for the 107 shows different acceptable PCI sync speeds for the 66MHz vs the 100MHz part. I haven't tried it since since I don't see anything on the table that looks like it would work. Instead of 0101 we'd use 1000 like on the Rapture, but ... yeah probably not a good idea. I do have some 50ns RAM but...

nexus · 08 February 2018, 16:51

i see no hurt in trying you arent overvolting or anything just running dram at it limits i have dram that runs well over 100mhz
also have some EDRAM that can easily do 100mhz
pdf.datasheet.live/c8969040/csn.net/DM1M36SJ1-15L.pdf
i have that and bunch of chips to make simms

grelbfarlk · 10 February 2018, 00:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by nexus

i see no hurt in trying you arent overvolting or anything just running dram at it limits i have dram that runs well over 100mhz
also have some EDRAM that can easily do 100mhz
pdf.datasheet.live/c8969040/csn.net/DM1M36SJ1-15L.pdf
i have that and bunch of chips to make simms

Meh... even though I have a pile of Raptures and two Sonnets what's the point really, it's ... I would do it if it worked. You do it Nexus, you have like two Sonnets and EDRAMS and a racecar...

nexus · 10 February 2018, 03:23

3 sonnets actually and i plan too the point is SPEED as i plan on switching out the G3 also on them
and yeah my acura legend 95' with 3.5l RL swap and supercharger is damn FAST

massive torque

when i actually get some time and get to play with this stuff thats the 1st thing on the list
remember i have yet to setup any of this most my time been spent on this project besides the million other things that going on in my life atm

now that hedeon's new PSU is done and ready and now shipped i might be able to get a chance in some of this fun

nexus · 10 February 2018, 22:51

just if anyone wants

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sonnet-Cres...wAAOSwgGFaf2QG

not my sale fyi but its a G4 Sonnet

Magic · 10 February 2018, 23:03

That's a rare care I bet. It makes me want to find someone to upgrade my Sonnet G3 to a G4

Has the Rapture taken the interest away from the Sonnets yet?

nexus · 10 February 2018, 23:05

well just remember that is still slower than the rapture that we shown here and for that price you can get the 2 things needed
and with rapture you have more space as there isnt huge ram sticks sticking straight up

emufan · 10 February 2018, 23:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by nexus

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sonnet-Cres...wAAOSwgGFaf2QG

holy cr** - 11 yrs ago, the 1Ghz version went away for only US$99

Magic · 10 February 2018, 23:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by emufan

holy cr** - 11 yrs ago, the 1Ghz version went away for only US$99

True, but 11 years ago you could also buy a fully loaded A4000T with a Toaster Flyer for $400.00 on ebay.

emufan · 10 February 2018, 23:30

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Originally Posted by Magic

True, but 11 years ago you could also buy a fully loaded A4000T with a Toaster Flyer for $400.00 on ebay.

oh, yes, I remember that

nexus · 10 February 2018, 23:45

that is not compatible sonnet it says pci but that means pci macs not as in the card type 7200 sonnets never went that high

part numbers start like MG3-xxx-xx MG4-xxx-xx

the sonnet cresendo 7200 are really SBC they have everything on the card eg: CPU/RAM/ROM is possible/and PCI bus you could stick the card in a pci back plane and run linux etc
ofc that makes it run in host mode as in master we run it in agent mode as a co-pro/iop

emufan · 11 February 2018, 00:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by nexus

that is not compatible sonnet it says pci but that means

ah, that's right, just saw the different connector.
I cannot remember it's name, but not standard PCI

#1) is there a link to that rapture card?

Magic · 11 February 2018, 00:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by emufan

ah, that's right, just saw the different connector.
I cannot remember it's name, but not standard PCI

#1) is there a link to that rapture card?

Yes, and the proper carrier too?

nexus · 11 February 2018, 00:49

no links just got to search online etc

grelbfarlk · 11 February 2018, 01:10

From the other thread, these are the only carriers I have tested that I can say work:
Technobox P/N 1447 (I converted carrier to 3.3V support since I have 5V only Mediator)
Ramix 239/F (does 3.3V conversion itself)

emufan · 11 February 2018, 01:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by nexus

no links just got to search online etc

XPedite1010 - does mediator have PCI-X?
A7400-PCI dual PowerPC PCI card - announced but never build?
MPC8248 Single Board Computer
A6pci7508 - Compact PCI sbc with PowerPC G4
Varisys vs145 - G4+ / PCI-X?

List of other PowerPC industrial boards (sbc+pci+powerpc)

Hedeon · 11 February 2018, 01:36

I would call the xpedite1010 Nosferatu.

grelbfarlk · 11 February 2018, 02:11

xpedite1010 has a 440GX, so no FPU, not very practical.
A7400 that's interesting but super expensive.
MPC8248 that's a 603e core and I think maxes out at 400MHz, so could be ok maybe, but I'm not sure about the PowerQuicc SoCs whether they support all of the features Hedeon needs to make the PPC to PCI and thus Amiga communication work. If they did then that would be something for sure.

But if PowerQuicc have all the stuff we needed then there are other boards that could be considered.

emufan · 11 February 2018, 03:44

I've added some more links above, maybe it does help to track down something usefull.

grelbfarlk · 11 February 2018, 04:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by emufan

I've added some more links above, maybe it does help to track down something usefull.

Oooh my balls that VS145 looks nice.

08 February 2018, 16:51	#1702
nexus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: USA Posts: 728	i see no hurt in trying you arent overvolting or anything just running dram at it limits i have dram that runs well over 100mhz also have some EDRAM that can easily do 100mhz pdf.datasheet.live/c8969040/csn.net/DM1M36SJ1-15L.pdf i have that and bunch of chips to make simms Last edited by nexus; 08 February 2018 at 20:10.

10 February 2018, 03:23	#1704
nexus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: USA Posts: 728	3 sonnets actually and i plan too the point is SPEED as i plan on switching out the G3 also on them and yeah my acura legend 95' with 3.5l RL swap and supercharger is damn FAST massive torque when i actually get some time and get to play with this stuff thats the 1st thing on the list remember i have yet to setup any of this most my time been spent on this project besides the million other things that going on in my life atm now that hedeon's new PSU is done and ready and now shipped i might be able to get a chance in some of this fun Last edited by nexus; 10 February 2018 at 03:44.

10 February 2018, 22:51	#1705
nexus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: USA Posts: 728	just if anyone wants https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sonnet-Cres...wAAOSwgGFaf2QG not my sale fyi but its a G4 Sonnet Last edited by nexus; 10 February 2018 at 22:57.

10 February 2018, 23:45	#1711
nexus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: USA Posts: 728	that is not compatible sonnet it says pci but that means pci macs not as in the card type 7200 sonnets never went that high part numbers start like MG3-xxx-xx MG4-xxx-xx the sonnet cresendo 7200 are really SBC they have everything on the card eg: CPU/RAM/ROM is possible/and PCI bus you could stick the card in a pci back plane and run linux etc ofc that makes it run in host mode as in master we run it in agent mode as a co-pro/iop Last edited by nexus; 10 February 2018 at 23:53.

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10 February 2018, 23:03	#1706
Magic Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: USA Posts: 359	That's a rare care I bet. It makes me want to find someone to upgrade my Sonnet G3 to a G4 Has the Rapture taken the interest away from the Sonnets yet?

10 February 2018, 23:05	#1707
nexus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: USA Posts: 728	well just remember that is still slower than the rapture that we shown here and for that price you can get the 2 things needed and with rapture you have more space as there isnt huge ram sticks sticking straight up

11 February 2018, 00:49	#1714
nexus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: USA Posts: 728	no links just got to search online etc

11 February 2018, 01:10	#1715
grelbfarlk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,902	From the other thread, these are the only carriers I have tested that I can say work: Technobox P/N 1447 (I converted carrier to 3.3V support since I have 5V only Mediator) Ramix 239/F (does 3.3V conversion itself)

11 February 2018, 01:36	#1717
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 1,993	I would call the xpedite1010 Nosferatu.

11 February 2018, 02:11	#1718
grelbfarlk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,902	xpedite1010 has a 440GX, so no FPU, not very practical. A7400 that's interesting but super expensive. MPC8248 that's a 603e core and I think maxes out at 400MHz, so could be ok maybe, but I'm not sure about the PowerQuicc SoCs whether they support all of the features Hedeon needs to make the PPC to PCI and thus Amiga communication work. If they did then that would be something for sure. But if PowerQuicc have all the stuff we needed then there are other boards that could be considered.

11 February 2018, 03:44	#1719
emufan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: #DrainTheSwamp Posts: 4,545	I've added some more links above, maybe it does help to track down something usefull.

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