Lack of appreciation for hand drawn 2D graphics

Bloodwych · 02 November 2009, 13:52

Recently, Simon the Sorcerer was released for the iPhone and I did a search around the forums to see how well it was received.

http://www.theiphoneappreview.com/08...-the-sorcerer/

These older retro games being released for mobiles are a great way to gauge what the younger "3D" generation think of older games.

While many praised the game, a large number complained about not being able to handle the "poor visuals" and "rubbish 2D graphics", expecting the game to have been updated.

Shame that many don't appreciate hand-drawn 2D works of art these days in games. I love 3D games, but they can't replace the beauty, instant learning curve and playability and feel of some hand drawn 2D classics.

Anyway, nice to see some of these games making a comeback on modern hardware.

s2325 · 02 November 2009, 13:58

and here is Simon in awesome 3D... http://ui01.gamespot.com/640/5569_2.jpg

AmigaFriend · 02 November 2009, 14:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by s2325

and here is Simon in awesome 3D... http://ui01.gamespot.com/640/5569_2.jpg

Which seems to have poor visuals and rubbish 3D blocky characters.

Bloodwych · 02 November 2009, 14:19

LOL s2325, yesh I remember that game featuring triangle head!

Some of the people rubbishing the visuals of this game aren't all youngsters either, I read a few comments from older people saying they can't go back to gaming using "poor visuals" and have moved on.

Oh well, thank goodness we are all different and some do like these older games.

I've just downloaded Day of the Tentacle due to the AGA thread on here, as I've never played it and I love point and click adventures. Looking forward to completing it via Scumm.....

TCD · 02 November 2009, 14:24

Despite the fact that I think that re-releasing the games for iPhones is just a way to make a quick buck, 'poor visuals' is funny when talking about a 320×480 screen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloodwych

I've just downloaded Day of the Tentacle due to the AGA thread on here, as I've never played it and I love point and click adventures. Looking forward to completing it via Scumm.....

Oh you should

Make sure you have the version with speech and be prepared to play the funniest LA adventure ever made (IMHO)

alexh · 02 November 2009, 14:26

If you like 2D gfx you cannot get much better than the work of Henk Nieborg

http://www.henknieborg.nl/frames.html

s2325 · 02 November 2009, 14:29

different one in 3D: http://www.playback.pl/numer12/pibi/.../screen120.jpg

AmigaFriend · 02 November 2009, 14:37

Now that is proper 3D!

s2325 · 02 November 2009, 14:40

...which is still worse than 2D

TCD · 02 November 2009, 14:50

Different. Most annoying thing about 3D adventures is the controls, but the graphics can be very good, like on the second Simon the Sorcerer one.

Jonathan Drain · 02 November 2009, 14:58

Two of the top-selling Nintendo DS games in my local shop are Professor Layton and Scribblenauts, both 2D games. Gameplay over graphics!

AmigaFriend · 02 November 2009, 14:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Different. Most annoying thing about 3D adventures is the controls, but the graphics can be very good, like on the second Simon the Sorcerer one.

Agreed 100% with your statement TCD. That was what put me aside from the latest "free" 3D Monkey Island adventure.

s2325 · 02 November 2009, 15:00

Please, look at his face and hairdo in this 3D model. It's face which someone found with google -> images and retarded hairdo.

TCD · 02 November 2009, 15:06

http://hol.abime.net/1941/screenshot
You can barely see any 'face' or 'hairdo' in it (yet it still looks nice). Handdrawn 2D and textured 3D graphics are two different things and it's a bit comparing apples and oranges. There are awful graphics both 2D and 3D (Simon 3D being a good example btw

). My main point is, that on a iPhone you can't expect to get hi-def graphics (2D-wise) anyway and I think 256 colours for the cartoonish look of Simon the Sorcerer are also fine.

antonvaltaz · 02 November 2009, 18:49

It's a similar story in animated film and TV programmes though isn't it? Almost every kids' TV programme is 3D rendered now.

A damned shame...

Kowalski · 02 November 2009, 18:59

I totally agree.

You can even sqeeze 3d into pre-drawn landscapes to get an astounding effect...

...boy, do I miss Fallout Tactics 2 (or Van Buren, or whatever was meant to come and never saw the light)

dlfrsilver · 02 November 2009, 20:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

If you like 2D gfx you cannot get much better than the work of Henk Nieborg

http://www.henknieborg.nl/frames.html

Yes you can get someone as good : Philippe Dessoly aka Golgoth71.

Dastardly · 02 November 2009, 20:44

@dlfrsilver

Or Dan Malone - the guy who drew your avatar

Bloodwych · 03 November 2009, 03:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

If you like 2D gfx you cannot get much better than the work of Henk Nieborg

http://www.henknieborg.nl/frames.html

Fantastic work. Thanks for the link.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Oh you should

Make sure you have the version with speech and be prepared to play the funniest LA adventure ever made (IMHO)

I got the speech version and really enjoyed playing it through. Got stuck once or twice, but the internet came to my rescue. Great game! Voice acting was really good.

Dastardly · 03 November 2009, 19:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by plankton

http://danmalone.deviantart.com/

Thanks for that Plankton. I didn't know he was on DA.

Dan Malone is a legend!

02 November 2009, 13:52	#1
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Lack of appreciation for hand drawn 2D graphics Recently, Simon the Sorcerer was released for the iPhone and I did a search around the forums to see how well it was received. http://www.theiphoneappreview.com/08...-the-sorcerer/ These older retro games being released for mobiles are a great way to gauge what the younger "3D" generation think of older games. While many praised the game, a large number complained about not being able to handle the "poor visuals" and "rubbish 2D graphics", expecting the game to have been updated. Shame that many don't appreciate hand-drawn 2D works of art these days in games. I love 3D games, but they can't replace the beauty, instant learning curve and playability and feel of some hand drawn 2D classics. Anyway, nice to see some of these games making a comeback on modern hardware.

02 November 2009, 15:06	#14
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,612	http://hol.abime.net/1941/screenshot You can barely see any 'face' or 'hairdo' in it (yet it still looks nice). Handdrawn 2D and textured 3D graphics are two different things and it's a bit comparing apples and oranges. There are awful graphics both 2D and 3D (Simon 3D being a good example btw ). My main point is, that on a iPhone you can't expect to get hi-def graphics (2D-wise) anyway and I think 256 colours for the cartoonish look of Simon the Sorcerer are also fine. Last edited by TCD; 02 November 2009 at 19:01.

02 November 2009, 18:59	#16
Kowalski Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Italy Age: 48 Posts: 26	Lack of appreciation for hand drawn 2D graphics I totally agree. You can even sqeeze 3d into pre-drawn landscapes to get an astounding effect... ...boy, do I miss Fallout Tactics 2 (or Van Buren, or whatever was meant to come and never saw the light)

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02 November 2009, 13:58	#2
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	and here is Simon in awesome 3D... http://ui01.gamespot.com/640/5569_2.jpg

02 November 2009, 14:19	#4
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	LOL s2325, yesh I remember that game featuring triangle head! Some of the people rubbishing the visuals of this game aren't all youngsters either, I read a few comments from older people saying they can't go back to gaming using "poor visuals" and have moved on. Oh well, thank goodness we are all different and some do like these older games. I've just downloaded Day of the Tentacle due to the AGA thread on here, as I've never played it and I love point and click adventures. Looking forward to completing it via Scumm.....

02 November 2009, 14:26	#6
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,354	If you like 2D gfx you cannot get much better than the work of Henk Nieborg http://www.henknieborg.nl/frames.html

02 November 2009, 14:29	#7
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	different one in 3D: http://www.playback.pl/numer12/pibi/.../screen120.jpg

02 November 2009, 14:37	#8
AmigaFriend Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sesimbra/Portugal Posts: 1,462	Now that is proper 3D!

02 November 2009, 14:40	#9
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	...which is still worse than 2D

02 November 2009, 14:50	#10
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,612	Different. Most annoying thing about 3D adventures is the controls, but the graphics can be very good, like on the second Simon the Sorcerer one.

02 November 2009, 14:58	#11
Jonathan Drain Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Sector K240 Posts: 338	Two of the top-selling Nintendo DS games in my local shop are Professor Layton and Scribblenauts, both 2D games. Gameplay over graphics!

02 November 2009, 15:00	#13
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	Please, look at his face and hairdo in this 3D model. It's face which someone found with google -> images and retarded hairdo.

02 November 2009, 18:49	#15
antonvaltaz Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Age: 43 Posts: 511	It's a similar story in animated film and TV programmes though isn't it? Almost every kids' TV programme is 3D rendered now. A damned shame...

02 November 2009, 20:44	#18
Dastardly Into the Wonderful Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: England Age: 49 Posts: 2,335	@dlfrsilver Or Dan Malone - the guy who drew your avatar

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