Atari ST versus Amiga in pictures - Page 2

humble worm · 12 January 2008, 22:09

the st pictures do not look much (if any) worse than those of amiga... as oneshotdead pointed, number of colours is not so important (obviously

)

btw. i was looking for the "enemy camp" but have not found anything like eab for st fans

edit: oh now i found, but it's not comparable

Retro-Nerd · 07 November 2010, 22:35

Argh, the clip was deleted. Has anybody a "backup"?

trackah123 · 15 November 2010, 11:09

I never used an Atari ST.. but i hear from everyone that it was really good if not way better with MIDI then Amiga.

But what about the sound quality? .. if i hear these ST games they sound like Chiptunes? compared to Amiga with Sampled music.

TCD · 15 November 2010, 11:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by trackah123

if i hear these ST games they sound like Chiptunes? compared to Amiga with Sampled music.

Yep. It's mainly because of the soundchip the ST used : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General...ents_AY-3-8912
There are some tunes that used samples though, but I can't remember which right now

trackah123 · 15 November 2010, 11:25

How was the ST with sampled tunes compared to the Amiga then?

Quote:

Although the chip wasn't designed to handle raw PCM data (digital sound), the effect could be simulated. The chip used a simple OR based mixing function for combining noise and tone on its three channels and could be persuaded to produce a level non-zero wave. By altering the volume this level wave could be shaped into a waveform. Obviously, this involved more CPU usage than chips designed for this purpose (such as the MOS Technology 8364 "Paula" as used in the Commodore Amiga), but it was nevertheless a technique widely used on platforms such as the Atari ST to play sampled music, and on the Amstrad CPC or ZX Spectrum to play short audio samples, in some games

TCD · 15 November 2010, 11:26

Quite poor (of course

). Check if there is a Xenon 2 ST vid on YouTube. The title music uses samples IIRC.

trackah123 · 15 November 2010, 11:30

Did it had 3 channels? thats what i read there. not 4 channels like the Amiga has?

TCD · 15 November 2010, 11:45

Well, it kinda had 4 'channels' : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_S...F.2FSTM.2FSTFM
Just listen to some games on YouTube and hear the difference.

john4p · 15 November 2010, 11:49

Which games had better sound: Atari ST- or C64-games?

trackah123 · 15 November 2010, 11:57

You can do cool stuff tho with white-noise. Not sure if it was very useful on an Atari ST but i certainly use it when producing trance-tracks

Retroplay · 15 November 2010, 13:37

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Originally Posted by john4p

Which games had better sound: Atari ST- or C64-games?

C64 of course.

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I once said that SID and Paula would make a beatiful couple what do you think ?

slk486 · 15 November 2010, 14:22

Ofcourse.

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john4p · 17 November 2010, 07:40

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Originally Posted by Retroplay

I once said that SID and Paula would make a beatiful couple what do you think ?

Fully agreed. Great sound!

s2325 · 24 February 2011, 00:25

music from Amiga and Atari ST Lotus: [ Show youtube player ]

pandy71 · 24 February 2011, 00:47

Plain Z80A, no AY, only 1 bit.

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Mick · 24 February 2011, 00:53

Atari ST sounds really awful to me but some guy on Youtube a while back was saying he thought it sounded better than Amiga, funnily enough I think that Amiga music sounds better than 99% of games today so it's probably a nostalgia thing.

There was definitely a lot more creativity back then though, all developers seem to do today is focus 99% on the graphics and then throw in some random chart tracks or other stock music at the last minute giving the games no real character of their own.

The Amiga just style of music just sounds great to me, the last modern game that I liked the soundtrack to was FF7 which had midi style music.

s2325 · 25 February 2011, 03:00

and Lotus III: [ Show youtube player ]

s2325 · 03 March 2011, 02:40

music from Amiga and Atari ST Wings of Death: [ Show youtube player ]

Anemos · 03 March 2011, 10:37

I have both Atari and Amiga i love it both..
Atari sound is more classic old feels close to 8bit sound and what? i like it..

Mad-Matt · 03 March 2011, 15:39

So when you baught a nice new shinny 16bit computer, you thaught it was real cool to have it sound like an Authentic 8 bit Spectrum ! ?

That said, when I got my Amiga, while it had awsome sounds, I found my self still firing up c64 emus or sid players to play 8bit tunes from the c64 I upgraded from .

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12 January 2008, 22:09	#21
humble worm Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: BP/Poland Age: 45 Posts: 745	the st pictures do not look much (if any) worse than those of amiga... as oneshotdead pointed, number of colours is not so important (obviously ) btw. i was looking for the "enemy camp" but have not found anything like eab for st fans edit: oh now i found, but it's not comparable

07 November 2010, 22:35	#22
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,435	Argh, the clip was deleted. Has anybody a "backup"?

15 November 2010, 11:09	#23
trackah123 Amiga User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Delft / The Netherlands Posts: 327	I never used an Atari ST.. but i hear from everyone that it was really good if not way better with MIDI then Amiga. But what about the sound quality? .. if i hear these ST games they sound like Chiptunes? compared to Amiga with Sampled music.

15 November 2010, 11:26	#26
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,518	Quite poor (of course ). Check if there is a Xenon 2 ST vid on YouTube. The title music uses samples IIRC.

15 November 2010, 11:30	#27
trackah123 Amiga User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Delft / The Netherlands Posts: 327	Did it had 3 channels? thats what i read there. not 4 channels like the Amiga has?

15 November 2010, 11:45	#28
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,518	Well, it kinda had 4 'channels' : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_S...F.2FSTM.2FSTFM Just listen to some games on YouTube and hear the difference.

15 November 2010, 11:49	#29
john4p Competition Moderator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 4,756	Which games had better sound: Atari ST- or C64-games?

15 November 2010, 11:57	#30
trackah123 Amiga User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Delft / The Netherlands Posts: 327	You can do cool stuff tho with white-noise. Not sure if it was very useful on an Atari ST but i certainly use it when producing trance-tracks

15 November 2010, 14:22	#32
slk486 Registered Looser Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Denmark Posts: 336	Ofcourse. [ Show youtube player ]

24 February 2011, 00:25	#34
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	music from Amiga and Atari ST Lotus: [ Show youtube player ]

24 February 2011, 00:47	#35
pandy71 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: PL? Posts: 2,741	Plain Z80A, no AY, only 1 bit. [ Show youtube player ]

24 February 2011, 00:53	#36
Mick Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 710	Atari ST sounds really awful to me but some guy on Youtube a while back was saying he thought it sounded better than Amiga, funnily enough I think that Amiga music sounds better than 99% of games today so it's probably a nostalgia thing. There was definitely a lot more creativity back then though, all developers seem to do today is focus 99% on the graphics and then throw in some random chart tracks or other stock music at the last minute giving the games no real character of their own. The Amiga just style of music just sounds great to me, the last modern game that I liked the soundtrack to was FF7 which had midi style music.

25 February 2011, 03:00	#37
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	and Lotus III: [ Show youtube player ]

03 March 2011, 02:40	#38
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	music from Amiga and Atari ST Wings of Death: [ Show youtube player ]

03 March 2011, 10:37	#39
Anemos 70X7 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Ἑλλάς Posts: 1,078	I have both Atari and Amiga i love it both.. Atari sound is more classic old feels close to 8bit sound and what? i like it..

03 March 2011, 15:39	#40
Mad-Matt Longplayer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lincoln / UK Age: 44 Posts: 1,846	So when you baught a nice new shinny 16bit computer, you thaught it was real cool to have it sound like an Authentic 8 bit Spectrum ! ? That said, when I got my Amiga, while it had awsome sounds, I found my self still firing up c64 emus or sid players to play 8bit tunes from the c64 I upgraded from .

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