AmigaOS 3.1.x v 3.9 - Page 2

Minuous · 26 July 2019, 03:12

@tom256:

If it is just a direct replacement for 3.0/3.1 it will never be as advanced as 3.9.

Thomas Richter · 26 July 2019, 07:28

About the only difference to 3.9 is that the latter includes reaction. There isn't much more because the core system of 3.1.4 is based on 3.9 code, just with many many fixes we found on the way.

tero · 26 July 2019, 08:37

I guess there is a good chance that reaction will come to 3.1.4 now that Hyperion has the rights to it.

Thomas Richter · 26 July 2019, 09:10

The 3.1.4 project is at this time complete, but we will hopefully be able to publish 3.2 which is being worked on right now. As far as the question "reaction or not" is concerned, there is not yet a definite decision on this. There are both arguments for and against it.

tero · 26 July 2019, 09:21

Well there are some good programs out there that uses reaction. I would integrate it.
On the other hand Hyperion wrote to make it available to all plattforms, so the user has the choice either way.
But it would be easier if it is included. Just for the lazy ones like me

malko · 26 July 2019, 14:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas Richter

The 3.1.4 project is at this time complete, but we will hopefully be able to publish 3.2 which is being worked on right now. [...]

Happy to read that 3.1.4 & fix (.1) were not a "one shot".

Thanks for this and the forthcoming releases !

asymetrix · 27 August 2019, 16:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by tero

Well there are some good programs out there that uses reaction. I would integrate it.
On the other hand Hyperion wrote to make it available to all plattforms, so the user has the choice either way.
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Tigerskunk · 27 August 2019, 17:13

I read that 3.2 will have Reaction in it..

Great news...

tero · 27 August 2019, 17:25

nice to see reaction integrated. it's worth it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by asymetrix

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Is this spam? That has nothing to do with Reaction or even Amiga

Mr-Z · 27 August 2019, 18:27

For now I will keep running my heavily expanded 3.9 workbench, runs super fast on my Vampire systems, and no annoying setpatch reboot

I will consider the current 3.x development when the feature set is equal or better then 3.9.

gulliver · 28 August 2019, 01:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr-Z

I will consider the current 3.x development when the feature set is equal or better then 3.9.

You seriously lack AmigaOS understanding: 3.1.4 has features that AmigaOS 3.9 never had, and at the same time 3.9 has features 3.1.4 does not have.

3.9 has more features in the userland domain: ReAction and "ReActionized" Prefs and a more rich set of tools and utilities.

3.1.4 has a much more developed AmigaOS core: Improved and bugfixed kickstart components, commands (in C), handlers (in L) and libraries (in Libs) and devices (in Devs).

And of course, there are a few exceptions in each of these OSes.

But the point is, that you are comparing two different OSes that come from a different perspective on how to approach the development. They are way too different to make any fair judgement for, or against one or the other.

turrican3 · 28 August 2019, 07:46

I really don't remember a big difference in speed with my a4000 060 50 mhz 128 meg ram + gfx card (cybervision 64) between os3.1 and os 3.9.
If it's for using on winuae use the one you want, even why not wb3.1 or 3.9 + amikit.
If you can, buy the two and play with them, download some tools on aminet for enhancing the experience.
I know that some just like the os 3.1 vanillia but sorry, in my eyes, it lacks some features but if it's just for playing some whdload games amiga dos and a little menu is more than enough and the best solution for a vanillia 1200.
In fact it just depends of what you are looking for.
ps: i must admit that it was fun to look for the best apps to enhance the workbench and try to keep it fast and stable but i don't think that it still some interest to do it, but who knows. Even if os3.9 is slighty slower, it was really faster than win95 or worst win2000 or millenium !! I hope you'll find what you are looking for !!! fun ?? For the fun, the amiga is the best place to go !

Ami · 28 August 2019, 16:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas Richter

The 3.1.4 project is at this time complete, but we will hopefully be able to publish 3.2 which is being worked on right now. As far as the question "reaction or not" is concerned, there is not yet a definite decision on this. There are both arguments for and against it.

Does this mean rewrite whole GUI to ReAction or just include RA files with system?

gulliver · 28 August 2019, 19:45

@Ami

We really don't know yet. ReAction in itself demands a lot of work. Fortunately enough, we have a developer who is doing a tremendous effort in trying to bring up ReAction.

So, only time will tell for sure how things end up. It is too soon to determine something about ReAction.

RedAvatar · 29 August 2019, 13:56

For all the talk about 3.1.4 being slow: I have a stock Amiga 1200 with 8MB fast RAM added and 3.1.4 runs just fine in high resolution interlaced with 64 colours. Looks very nice compared to "stock" 3.1 with the new icons.

rcpamiga · 19 April 2020, 06:23

I use Workbench 3.9 with all the latest boing bag patches on my original Amiga 3000 with the old 1.3/ 2.05 kick start ROM (rom loads from super kick start file from Hard disk) and then boots into 3.9 with the reset.

I don't find it slow at all! Manly use it for games, prowrite, Vistapro and Deluxe paint V.

Its quicker than all my other Amigas! But does depend on what software you like to use most on your Amigas! I have no issues with 3.9.

But 3.1.4 or 3.2 looks interesting, but I do not have the need for it yet...

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26 July 2019, 03:12	#21
Minuous Coder/webmaster/gamer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra/Australia Posts: 2,629	@tom256: If it is just a direct replacement for 3.0/3.1 it will never be as advanced as 3.9.

26 July 2019, 07:28	#22
Thomas Richter Registered User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Germany Posts: 3,214	About the only difference to 3.9 is that the latter includes reaction. There isn't much more because the core system of 3.1.4 is based on 3.9 code, just with many many fixes we found on the way.

26 July 2019, 08:37	#23
tero Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: M'Gladbach Age: 46 Posts: 621	I guess there is a good chance that reaction will come to 3.1.4 now that Hyperion has the rights to it.

26 July 2019, 09:10	#24
Thomas Richter Registered User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Germany Posts: 3,214	The 3.1.4 project is at this time complete, but we will hopefully be able to publish 3.2 which is being worked on right now. As far as the question "reaction or not" is concerned, there is not yet a definite decision on this. There are both arguments for and against it.

26 July 2019, 09:21	#25
tero Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: M'Gladbach Age: 46 Posts: 621	Well there are some good programs out there that uses reaction. I would integrate it. On the other hand Hyperion wrote to make it available to all plattforms, so the user has the choice either way. But it would be easier if it is included. Just for the lazy ones like me

27 August 2019, 17:13	#28
Tigerskunk Inviyya Dude! Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Amiga Island Posts: 2,770	I read that 3.2 will have Reaction in it.. Great news...

27 August 2019, 18:27	#30
Mr-Z Registered User Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Netherlands Posts: 80	For now I will keep running my heavily expanded 3.9 workbench, runs super fast on my Vampire systems, and no annoying setpatch reboot I will consider the current 3.x development when the feature set is equal or better then 3.9.

28 August 2019, 07:46	#32
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	I really don't remember a big difference in speed with my a4000 060 50 mhz 128 meg ram + gfx card (cybervision 64) between os3.1 and os 3.9. If it's for using on winuae use the one you want, even why not wb3.1 or 3.9 + amikit. If you can, buy the two and play with them, download some tools on aminet for enhancing the experience. I know that some just like the os 3.1 vanillia but sorry, in my eyes, it lacks some features but if it's just for playing some whdload games amiga dos and a little menu is more than enough and the best solution for a vanillia 1200. In fact it just depends of what you are looking for. ps: i must admit that it was fun to look for the best apps to enhance the workbench and try to keep it fast and stable but i don't think that it still some interest to do it, but who knows. Even if os3.9 is slighty slower, it was really faster than win95 or worst win2000 or millenium !! I hope you'll find what you are looking for !!! fun ?? For the fun, the amiga is the best place to go !

28 August 2019, 19:45	#34
gulliver BoingBagged Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The South of nowhere Age: 46 Posts: 2,358	@Ami We really don't know yet. ReAction in itself demands a lot of work. Fortunately enough, we have a developer who is doing a tremendous effort in trying to bring up ReAction. So, only time will tell for sure how things end up. It is too soon to determine something about ReAction.

29 August 2019, 13:56	#35
RedAvatar Registered User Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Belgium Posts: 22	For all the talk about 3.1.4 being slow: I have a stock Amiga 1200 with 8MB fast RAM added and 3.1.4 runs just fine in high resolution interlaced with 64 colours. Looks very nice compared to "stock" 3.1 with the new icons.

19 April 2020, 06:23	#36
rcpamiga Registered User Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Dunedin New Zealand Posts: 5	I use Workbench 3.9 with all the latest boing bag patches on my original Amiga 3000 with the old 1.3/ 2.05 kick start ROM (rom loads from super kick start file from Hard disk) and then boots into 3.9 with the reset. I don't find it slow at all! Manly use it for games, prowrite, Vistapro and Deluxe paint V. Its quicker than all my other Amigas! But does depend on what software you like to use most on your Amigas! I have no issues with 3.9. But 3.1.4 or 3.2 looks interesting, but I do not have the need for it yet...

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