WinFellow vs WinUAE

23 January 2002, 05:07

I just don't understand. Most of the users here and on other boards talk in WinUAE language. They seem to bend towards it's use exclusively. What's the draw? Everytime I use it my computer crashes or it rejects my settings to some degree, forcing me to back out of it or start all over again.
I'm not trying to bash WinUAE, but WinFellow has NEVER crashed my system, and when I back out of it my settings are retained. 85% of the games I have tried in WinFellow worked right away, with normal sound and picture. I compare it's complexity to that of the IBM vs the Amiga back in the '80s, with WinFellow being the Amiga. Am I alone here?
Enlighten me...:suspiciou

jmmijo · 23 January 2002, 07:07

Yes and no, that's my opinion. I think it really has to do with the individual computer configs. Really, if you don't have a 1GHz + box I'd say stick with WinFellow. Of course there are always going to be exceptions to this.

Currently I run WinUAE on my primary PC gaming rig, an Athlon T-Bird 1.33GHz, 512MB of PC133 RAM and 80GB of HD space connected to a RAID 0 controller. The video card is a GeForce 2 GTS with the latest WHQL device drivers.

It runs smoothly with Picasso96 running in a 1024 x 768 screen display.

Another thing I like to do is to create multiple folders for each WinUAE config, that is to say, I have a folder for Kick1.2, then another for 1.3, then another for 2.0, etc... Since I have the HD space why not use it, of course it's filling up nicely with TOSEC d/l's as well

23 January 2002, 07:55

Well, you answered my question. That is some rig you have there. I'm in the minor leagues with my Celeron running at 566 mhz and 32 meg of ram... but you just told me what I needed to know. We need more power Scottie.
Guess I'll go ahead and upgrade like I've procrastinated about so long. 80 gigs of hard drive space? I've got 7! Still, there is only so much I want and need. Every emulation system has it's cream of the crop games or the ones I once owned on the real thing, be it a console, a computer or an arcade quarter machine. Those are all I strive for. Everything else is just useless hoarding to me.
For now Winfellow will suffice...
Thanks jmmijo.

jmmijo · 23 January 2002, 09:01

Hoarding is my middle name :laugh

Drake1009 · 23 January 2002, 12:42

I'd rather say quick config and play style.

7-Zark-7 · 23 January 2002, 14:43

Dare I say that Winfellow seems a tad more Win9x orientated/friendly with far less bugs/crashes & better designed for less humble non-P3/P4/Athlon mega-power pc's??

Drake1009 · 23 January 2002, 15:35

You might say that Zark, though WinUAE has been made for compatibility and configurability. Too bad it crashes the entire system at times.

And you really don't need a monster computer to run WinUAE. You just need to be lucky with combinations. Very lucky maybe. I've said this many times before but there's definately something wrong when you can go from fluid emulation on a 450mhz with a TNT 2 to almost unplayable by simply upgrading to a Geforce.

It's all about getting lucky it seems.

jmmijo · 23 January 2002, 19:38

Sometimes luck plays into this, he says as he searches for wood

, but speaking for myself, I enjoy the challenge of getting games/apps/utils to work. This includes both via WinUAE or my real Amigas. I'm a bigtime masachist when it comes to computers and technology in general, especially what is called the Bleeding Edge.

I guess I'm also anal about keeping all my boxes up to date with the latest device drivers and patches for the OS. Perhaps being a LAN/WAN/NT/*nix admin has helped me in this area

24 January 2002, 02:58

No matter what your collecting extremes are, it's no fun to sit and hassle with multiple load settings or system failures just to play a game. Mame is an easy load, so are the Snes and Sega emulators. When I shift over to Amiga emu's I prefer the smoothness of WinFellow.
I have about 350 of the best Amiga games ever made. So far I'm having trouble with 50 of them in WinFellow. That's about 86% to the good. Not bad. The other 14% could just be my not knowing the settings yet...
I'd like to start a thread somewhere on this board aimed at just the WinFellow users to trade settings with and discuss the games that won't work at all.
Anyone interested? :theparano

Muzkat · 24 January 2002, 03:46

I get 90 to 95% of games running in Win UAE on a humble P2 350 mhz, with 128 RAM (and on a 4 gig hard drive, I might add

) Then again, I get 99% of games working on Winfellow, without any configuring to do.

So I'm sitting on the fence for this one- it's a tough call.

BTW, RocketMack, isn't there already a Winfellow section on this board? Maybe you can start some sort of sub-section there.

24 January 2002, 03:58

Thanks Muzkat. I just found the WinFellow section myself. I should have known that a well organized board such as this one would have it already set up.
I'm going there now to start a conversation about running Dungeon Master using WinFellow.
Then I'll move on to the next problem game...

24 January 2002, 22:41

I believe WinUAE will never be able to fix sound emulation. A mistake has been made long ago and they can't seem to be able to fix it. I'm not a programmer but WinFellow seems to have a better solution to sound emulation than WinUAE. I never had any skippy sound with WinFellow and old games run better on WinFellow than WinUAE. you need to set up less options to get something working but on the other hand, WinUAE was around long before WinFellow and that's why everyone is using it.

WinFellow doesn't have AGA emulation yet but it's not a bad thing. They are doing a god job by not trying to add every detail at once in a haste because they may lose what they have earned just like WinUAE's loss after release 0.8.8r9. The development of WinFellow goes steady but not slowly. It's WinUAE which adds tons of useless settings and non working features at once and then release lots of different new versions just to fix problems that exist because they accidentally added it themselves after version 0.8.8r8

WinUAE tried faster floppy emulation and failed. Released some non working JIT versions but at last it's working now. They tried to add load/save state function and it sometimes works right and saves a memory state file that is as big as the emulated memory!

. WinFellow feels like an A500 and WinUAE feels like some new amiga model with mixed features. JIT and AGA emulation is why I'm using WinUAE. I like WinFellow without these features and I think WinUAE authors need to set their targets more precisely. If they aim to make a Workbench/JIT/some AGA based emulator they will succeed faster but WinUAE will not be able to run A500 games unless a miracle happens that's why they should either give up OCS/ESC emulation or aim to fix it and work on it like mad. I hope we will have two good emulators one specialised on A500 OCS/ECS and the other for "professional" applications.

Ian · 24 January 2002, 23:15

Right my 2 cent's worth, WinUAE (The latest version) is the best version they have ever released IMO, while the sound may be jerky for you lot it works fine for me.

I only use three configs, one A500 kick 1.3, one A600 kick 2.0 and finally one A1200 kick 3.1. Sure the odd game will need a slightly different settings to what I always use, but not much tinkering is ever needed. So saying WinUAE is harder to set up than WinFellow just isn't true.

The reason (Win)UAE get's moaned about is because the programmer's (Berndt, Brain, Toni and the other contributors) take risk's, sure something that's added in version 0.8.whatever suck's, but by the time the next version comes out and it's working properly, you'll be wondering how you ever lived without it.

Sometimes you need to take a risk to get anywhere in life and IMO it's to the UAE guys credit that they are willing to do this.

WinFellow is a great emu and should never be compaired to WinUAE, ever and visa-versa. Would you compare Wine to Grape juice?

Both emu's have problem's and for me WinUAE has LESS than WinFellow, or at least there more bearable. Come on for pete's sake, should I really get jerky frame rates with a 1800 Athlon XP?

24 January 2002, 23:21

Quote:

Right my 2 cent's worth, WinUAE (The latest version) is the best version they have ever released IMO, while the sound may be jerky for you lot it works fine for me.

Comparing it to the earlier versions, I agree that it is. But it could have advanced to this stage maybe a year ago and could have been better by now. Both emus should live. They are good at different features and will be enough to entertain us until the ressurection of Amiga

Ian · 24 January 2002, 23:26

Surely you jest

The only hope for the Amiga is, some factory in China starting knocking out there own reverse engineered version of the A500

I just wish they'd hurry up about it, I want to buy one with white keys

jmmijo · 24 January 2002, 23:45

Quote:

Originally posted by Ian
Surely you jest

The only hope for the Amiga is, some factory in China starting knocking out there own reverse engineered version of the A500

I just wish they'd hurry up about it, I want to buy one with white keys

Yeah, this would be great, I'd take one with a built-in HD floppy and a nice 10 - 20 GB, 2.5" HD

25 January 2002, 03:07

You guys know your machines and emulators well, down to the last setting. But the fact remains that a lot of us do not have or can't afford a PC that is close to achieving human consciousness.

I use WinFellow now because it requires less complication. If I wanted to do cutting edge research I would upgrade my machine and join in with you and the programmers.

I don't go into an arcade to fix the machines. I go there to relax and play some games...

jmmijo · 25 January 2002, 04:32

Quote:

Originally posted by RocketMack
You guys know your machines and emulators well, down to the last setting. But the fact remains that a lot of us do not have or can't afford a PC that is close to achieving human consciousness.

I use WinFellow now because it requires less complication. If I wanted to do cutting edge research I would upgrade my machine and join in with you and the programmers.

I don't go into an arcade to fix the machines. I go there to relax and play some games...

I hear you, but unfortunately, I for one have have this insatiable appetite to fiddle with stuff. Normally I would say, if it aint broke, don't fix it. I can't seem to do this, I'm constantly upgrading and fiddling with all my boxes, PC's, Mac's and Amiga's

Paul · 25 January 2002, 11:52

Quote:

Originally posted by RocketMack
Well, you answered my question. That is some rig you have there. I'm in the minor leagues with my Celeron running at 566 mhz and 32 meg of ram... but you just told me what I needed to know. We need more power Scottie.

ONLY 32MB RAM :eek

That’s probably why you can't run winuae, you need to rip out that 32MB simm and replace it with 128 MB. I don't know how you put up with this low amount of ram.

This is likely the reason winuae crashes on you all the time.

7-Zark-7 · 25 January 2002, 13:28

I think I understand (hopefully!),what Burseg was saying though- WinUAE HAD a great core of an OCS/ECS emulator with the 088r8/9 series.
The sound was faultless-things run quickly etc. And no stupid buggy freeze-ups on Win9x machines-it proved it was possible.If they had just tieded it up a little more to enable more games compatibility it could've been regarded as a "finished" version for non-aga systems & then allow them a stable platform to base themselves with to then start on a bells & whistles AGA version.

23 January 2002, 05:07	#1
RocketMack Posts: n/a	WinFellow vs WinUAE I just don't understand. Most of the users here and on other boards talk in WinUAE language. They seem to bend towards it's use exclusively. What's the draw? Everytime I use it my computer crashes or it rejects my settings to some degree, forcing me to back out of it or start all over again. I'm not trying to bash WinUAE, but WinFellow has NEVER crashed my system, and when I back out of it my settings are retained. 85% of the games I have tried in WinFellow worked right away, with normal sound and picture. I compare it's complexity to that of the IBM vs the Amiga back in the '80s, with WinFellow being the Amiga. Am I alone here? Enlighten me...:suspiciou

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23 January 2002, 07:07	#2
jmmijo Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: PDX Age: 62 Posts: 2,395	Yes and no, that's my opinion. I think it really has to do with the individual computer configs. Really, if you don't have a 1GHz + box I'd say stick with WinFellow. Of course there are always going to be exceptions to this. Currently I run WinUAE on my primary PC gaming rig, an Athlon T-Bird 1.33GHz, 512MB of PC133 RAM and 80GB of HD space connected to a RAID 0 controller. The video card is a GeForce 2 GTS with the latest WHQL device drivers. It runs smoothly with Picasso96 running in a 1024 x 768 screen display. Another thing I like to do is to create multiple folders for each WinUAE config, that is to say, I have a folder for Kick1.2, then another for 1.3, then another for 2.0, etc... Since I have the HD space why not use it, of course it's filling up nicely with TOSEC d/l's as well

23 January 2002, 07:55	#3
RocketMack Posts: n/a	Well, you answered my question. That is some rig you have there. I'm in the minor leagues with my Celeron running at 566 mhz and 32 meg of ram... but you just told me what I needed to know. We need more power Scottie. Guess I'll go ahead and upgrade like I've procrastinated about so long. 80 gigs of hard drive space? I've got 7! Still, there is only so much I want and need. Every emulation system has it's cream of the crop games or the ones I once owned on the real thing, be it a console, a computer or an arcade quarter machine. Those are all I strive for. Everything else is just useless hoarding to me. For now Winfellow will suffice... Thanks jmmijo.

23 January 2002, 09:01	#4
jmmijo Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: PDX Age: 62 Posts: 2,395	Hoarding is my middle name :laugh

23 January 2002, 12:42	#5
Drake1009 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,284	I'd rather say quick config and play style.

23 January 2002, 14:43	#6
7-Zark-7 Zone Friend Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Brisbane/Australia Posts: 1,270	Dare I say that Winfellow seems a tad more Win9x orientated/friendly with far less bugs/crashes & better designed for less humble non-P3/P4/Athlon mega-power pc's??

23 January 2002, 15:35	#7
Drake1009 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,284	You might say that Zark, though WinUAE has been made for compatibility and configurability. Too bad it crashes the entire system at times. And you really don't need a monster computer to run WinUAE. You just need to be lucky with combinations. Very lucky maybe. I've said this many times before but there's definately something wrong when you can go from fluid emulation on a 450mhz with a TNT 2 to almost unplayable by simply upgrading to a Geforce. It's all about getting lucky it seems.

23 January 2002, 19:38	#8
jmmijo Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: PDX Age: 62 Posts: 2,395	Sometimes luck plays into this, he says as he searches for wood , but speaking for myself, I enjoy the challenge of getting games/apps/utils to work. This includes both via WinUAE or my real Amigas. I'm a bigtime masachist when it comes to computers and technology in general, especially what is called the Bleeding Edge. I guess I'm also anal about keeping all my boxes up to date with the latest device drivers and patches for the OS. Perhaps being a LAN/WAN/NT/*nix admin has helped me in this area

24 January 2002, 02:58	#9
RocketMack Posts: n/a	No matter what your collecting extremes are, it's no fun to sit and hassle with multiple load settings or system failures just to play a game. Mame is an easy load, so are the Snes and Sega emulators. When I shift over to Amiga emu's I prefer the smoothness of WinFellow. I have about 350 of the best Amiga games ever made. So far I'm having trouble with 50 of them in WinFellow. That's about 86% to the good. Not bad. The other 14% could just be my not knowing the settings yet... I'd like to start a thread somewhere on this board aimed at just the WinFellow users to trade settings with and discuss the games that won't work at all. Anyone interested? :theparano

24 January 2002, 03:46	#10
Muzkat Into the Wonderful Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Earthrealm Age: 42 Posts: 1,426	I get 90 to 95% of games running in Win UAE on a humble P2 350 mhz, with 128 RAM (and on a 4 gig hard drive, I might add ) Then again, I get 99% of games working on Winfellow, without any configuring to do. So I'm sitting on the fence for this one- it's a tough call. BTW, RocketMack, isn't there already a Winfellow section on this board? Maybe you can start some sort of sub-section there.

24 January 2002, 03:58	#11
RocketMack Posts: n/a	Thanks Muzkat. I just found the WinFellow section myself. I should have known that a well organized board such as this one would have it already set up. I'm going there now to start a conversation about running Dungeon Master using WinFellow. Then I'll move on to the next problem game...

24 January 2002, 22:41	#12
oldpx Posts: n/a	I believe WinUAE will never be able to fix sound emulation. A mistake has been made long ago and they can't seem to be able to fix it. I'm not a programmer but WinFellow seems to have a better solution to sound emulation than WinUAE. I never had any skippy sound with WinFellow and old games run better on WinFellow than WinUAE. you need to set up less options to get something working but on the other hand, WinUAE was around long before WinFellow and that's why everyone is using it. WinFellow doesn't have AGA emulation yet but it's not a bad thing. They are doing a god job by not trying to add every detail at once in a haste because they may lose what they have earned just like WinUAE's loss after release 0.8.8r9. The development of WinFellow goes steady but not slowly. It's WinUAE which adds tons of useless settings and non working features at once and then release lots of different new versions just to fix problems that exist because they accidentally added it themselves after version 0.8.8r8 WinUAE tried faster floppy emulation and failed. Released some non working JIT versions but at last it's working now. They tried to add load/save state function and it sometimes works right and saves a memory state file that is as big as the emulated memory! . WinFellow feels like an A500 and WinUAE feels like some new amiga model with mixed features. JIT and AGA emulation is why I'm using WinUAE. I like WinFellow without these features and I think WinUAE authors need to set their targets more precisely. If they aim to make a Workbench/JIT/some AGA based emulator they will succeed faster but WinUAE will not be able to run A500 games unless a miracle happens that's why they should either give up OCS/ESC emulation or aim to fix it and work on it like mad. I hope we will have two good emulators one specialised on A500 OCS/ECS and the other for "professional" applications.

24 January 2002, 23:15	#13
Ian Global Moderator Join Date: May 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 46 Posts: 2,287	Right my 2 cent's worth, WinUAE (The latest version) is the best version they have ever released IMO, while the sound may be jerky for you lot it works fine for me. I only use three configs, one A500 kick 1.3, one A600 kick 2.0 and finally one A1200 kick 3.1. Sure the odd game will need a slightly different settings to what I always use, but not much tinkering is ever needed. So saying WinUAE is harder to set up than WinFellow just isn't true. The reason (Win)UAE get's moaned about is because the programmer's (Berndt, Brain, Toni and the other contributors) take risk's, sure something that's added in version 0.8.whatever suck's, but by the time the next version comes out and it's working properly, you'll be wondering how you ever lived without it. Sometimes you need to take a risk to get anywhere in life and IMO it's to the UAE guys credit that they are willing to do this. WinFellow is a great emu and should never be compaired to WinUAE, ever and visa-versa. Would you compare Wine to Grape juice? Both emu's have problem's and for me WinUAE has LESS than WinFellow, or at least there more bearable. Come on for pete's sake, should I really get jerky frame rates with a 1800 Athlon XP?

24 January 2002, 23:26	#15
Ian Global Moderator Join Date: May 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 46 Posts: 2,287	Surely you jest The only hope for the Amiga is, some factory in China starting knocking out there own reverse engineered version of the A500 I just wish they'd hurry up about it, I want to buy one with white keys

25 January 2002, 03:07	#17
RocketMack Posts: n/a	You guys know your machines and emulators well, down to the last setting. But the fact remains that a lot of us do not have or can't afford a PC that is close to achieving human consciousness. I use WinFellow now because it requires less complication. If I wanted to do cutting edge research I would upgrade my machine and join in with you and the programmers. I don't go into an arcade to fix the machines. I go there to relax and play some games...

25 January 2002, 13:28	#20
7-Zark-7 Zone Friend Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Brisbane/Australia Posts: 1,270	I think I understand (hopefully!),what Burseg was saying though- WinUAE HAD a great core of an OCS/ECS emulator with the 088r8/9 series. The sound was faultless-things run quickly etc. And no stupid buggy freeze-ups on Win9x machines-it proved it was possible.If they had just tieded it up a little more to enable more games compatibility it could've been regarded as a "finished" version for non-aga systems & then allow them a stable platform to base themselves with to then start on a bells & whistles AGA version.

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