3D or not 3D that is the question? - Page 2

7-Zark-7 · 25 February 2002, 12:23

Okay, I'll try to be shorter than my last rant on this....
There have been the odd nice 2D games in the past few years since the demise of the 16bit machines, but they're still few & far between.
For example Oddworld Abe's Odysee,(though this is on PSX, haven't played it on PC.)
Although I'm in a minority, I also really like the original "Blood Omen Legacy of Kain". I loved playing it on PSX, but when I tried to track it down, I could only locate the PC version-a tad jerky with scrolling, but otherwise okay.
I enjoyed Starcraft & Curse of Monkey Island on PC though they're old examples too.

25 February 2002, 12:29

Legacy of Kain was cool, much better than it's sequels. Starcraft also had "appropriate" graphics. Warcraft 3 is going to be in 3d and there is no reason to be so, other than making some of the players "feel" they are benefitting from their kick ass 3d cards. I still prefer Warcraft 2's graphics to that low-polygon nighmare.

Drake1009 · 25 February 2002, 13:09

I had no problems with Legacy of Kain scroll wise. The game in itself was great, though it was a tad on the repetitive side, and the fights could get a little annoying at times because you lacked some control.

As for the box art. Well to me it looks like an attempt at 3D graphics gone bad. I'd much rather they had hired an artist to draw it.

Shatterhand · 26 February 2002, 04:13

I am using a freeware game creator called "Game Maker". It looks a bit like "Games Factoryy"and stuff like that, but it comes with a very, very, VERY powerfull language called GML. You can do almost ANYTHING you want with it in 2D. The thing is really THAT powerfull.

here's the URL :
http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/markov/gmaker/index.html

Drake1009 · 26 February 2002, 06:36

Neat. That was one of the biggest flaws in klik and play and Games factory, that you had no way to do any code yourself.

Muzkat · 26 February 2002, 12:53

I had forgotten about Abuse- what a great game that was! I digged the dark, industrial atmosphere. It was a bastard to complete, but it was worth it.

Drake1009 · 26 February 2002, 15:58

And then there were the people who cheated the config routine so they had bright colors which completely ruined the atmosphere.

Hmm with the dark atmosphere this would've been an ideal game for the GBA seeing as how it has a bad reputation of being too dark. Too bad it doesn't have the controls needed.

Shatterhand · 28 February 2002, 04:28

Abuse is indeed a great game.

There's also a way to play the game in bigger resolutions, so seeing more of the screen, so seeing enemies that are supposed to be out of the screen, just waiting the right time to attack you. This of course, is cheat , and it ruins the game too

Drake1009 · 28 February 2002, 06:29

The Windows version I think fixes this by doubling or smoothing pixels instead.

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25 February 2002, 12:23	#21
7-Zark-7 Zone Friend Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Brisbane/Australia Posts: 1,270	Okay, I'll try to be shorter than my last rant on this.... There have been the odd nice 2D games in the past few years since the demise of the 16bit machines, but they're still few & far between. For example Oddworld Abe's Odysee,(though this is on PSX, haven't played it on PC.) Although I'm in a minority, I also really like the original "Blood Omen Legacy of Kain". I loved playing it on PSX, but when I tried to track it down, I could only locate the PC version-a tad jerky with scrolling, but otherwise okay. I enjoyed Starcraft & Curse of Monkey Island on PC though they're old examples too.

25 February 2002, 12:29	#22
oldpx Posts: n/a	Legacy of Kain was cool, much better than it's sequels. Starcraft also had "appropriate" graphics. Warcraft 3 is going to be in 3d and there is no reason to be so, other than making some of the players "feel" they are benefitting from their kick ass 3d cards. I still prefer Warcraft 2's graphics to that low-polygon nighmare.

25 February 2002, 13:09	#23
Drake1009 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,284	I had no problems with Legacy of Kain scroll wise. The game in itself was great, though it was a tad on the repetitive side, and the fights could get a little annoying at times because you lacked some control. As for the box art. Well to me it looks like an attempt at 3D graphics gone bad. I'd much rather they had hired an artist to draw it.

26 February 2002, 04:13	#24
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 41 Posts: 3,450	I am using a freeware game creator called "Game Maker". It looks a bit like "Games Factoryy"and stuff like that, but it comes with a very, very, VERY powerfull language called GML. You can do almost ANYTHING you want with it in 2D. The thing is really THAT powerfull. here's the URL : http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/markov/gmaker/index.html

26 February 2002, 06:36	#25
Drake1009 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,284	Neat. That was one of the biggest flaws in klik and play and Games factory, that you had no way to do any code yourself.

26 February 2002, 12:53	#26
Muzkat Into the Wonderful Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Earthrealm Age: 42 Posts: 1,426	I had forgotten about Abuse- what a great game that was! I digged the dark, industrial atmosphere. It was a bastard to complete, but it was worth it.

26 February 2002, 15:58	#27
Drake1009 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,284	And then there were the people who cheated the config routine so they had bright colors which completely ruined the atmosphere. Hmm with the dark atmosphere this would've been an ideal game for the GBA seeing as how it has a bad reputation of being too dark. Too bad it doesn't have the controls needed.

28 February 2002, 04:28	#28
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 41 Posts: 3,450	Abuse is indeed a great game. There's also a way to play the game in bigger resolutions, so seeing more of the screen, so seeing enemies that are supposed to be out of the screen, just waiting the right time to attack you. This of course, is cheat , and it ruins the game too

28 February 2002, 06:29	#29
Drake1009 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,284	The Windows version I think fixes this by doubling or smoothing pixels instead.

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