Lightwave 3D - Showroom & Tutorials - Page 4

Muadib · 10 October 2017, 22:36

@SnkBitten Awesome! A true reminder of the old BSG Viper Turbo !

Muadib · 10 October 2017, 22:39

@SnkBitten, BTW, What hardware have you installed Amithlon on? I hear Amithlon has the fastest performance with LW, even when compared to WinUAE, is it true?

SnkBitten · 10 October 2017, 23:53

It's an Intel Core2Duo running at 4 GHz. It runs faster than my WinUAE setup on an i7 at 3.4 GHz, very noticable when in Lightwave 3d and rendering a scene preview in wireframe. You can't playback the preview but making it runs near real-time anyway. You can keep all your objects as wireframe too when manipulating them in composing your scene which is nice. Actual 24bit frame renders aren't much different though compared to my WinUAE config....but scene composing and preview making are much nicer on Amithlon.

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

emufan · 11 October 2017, 00:10

Muadib: some cool camera movement.

do you use some DOF addon to change the focus of the cam?

the emulators layout/modeler performance indeed feels like playing with my old 030/882.
this did never really improve when emulating.

SnkBitten · 11 October 2017, 12:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muadib

@SnkBitten, BTW, What hardware have you installed Amithlon on? I hear Amithlon has the fastest performance with LW, even when compared to WinUAE, is it true?

Here's a quick video showing layout+preview in Lightwave 3d 5.0 using WinUAE (i7 3.5 Ghz, 32 GB ram host machine) and Amithlon (Core2Duo 4.0 Ghz, 1 GB ram).

It's one of the benchmark scenes, WinUAE making the preview and then Amithlon making the preview, dragging the timeline forward and back and making the preview again. WinUAE Lightwave running on A4000 configuration maxed out with JIT on Amiga Native modes, Amithlon at 1024x768 using ModePro (1024x768 32bit at 8 colors). To be fair to WinUAE I went back and did the same for WinUAE using uaegfx (1024x768@32 8 color ModePro promoted) and it gave a slight speed increase over the native Amiga mode, probably not worth it type of increase.

http://amithlon.snkbitten.com/files/...E-Amithlon.mp4

On Amithlon/lightwave I have under the Options panel/Layout View the "Bounding Box Point/Polygon Threshold" set above 12,000 which eliminates the bounding box movement in Layout giving me wireframe movement.

Muadib · 11 October 2017, 13:52

Cool! And rendering times?

SnkBitten · 11 October 2017, 14:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muadib

Cool! And rendering times?

Rendering times are about the same, which I thought was interesting.

The only real advantage would be in layout while composing your scene as the final output would be about the same render time.

Here's rendering the space fighters scene on my Amithlon using the CyberGFXRender plugin. Default scene but with NTSC Widescreen and Square Pixels set.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/vIN1A7ytDf6IE5oi1

Marchie · 11 October 2017, 14:33

So cool to see the Amiga animation goodness!

Love your walking puppet emufan, and the ship too Maudib - nice cameras.

Keep it up guys!

Muadib · 11 October 2017, 18:30

@Marchie Many thanks!

@SnkBitten This rendering on Amithlon, WOW! Does LW take advantage of every core? I have to do this scene on both my real and UAE Amiga to compare...

(As far as I know, each WinUAE instance 'sees' 1 core, so clock speed is important)

emufan · 11 October 2017, 19:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marchie

Love your walking puppet emufan

yep, I like it alot too. with the right tools, there are so much possibilities

@SnkBitten: thats some impressive speed in layout.

SnkBitten · 11 October 2017, 19:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muadib

@Marchie Many thanks!

@SnkBitten This rendering on Amithlon, WOW! Does LW take advantage of every core? I have to do this scene on both my real and UAE Amiga to compare...

(As far as I know, each WinUAE instance 'sees' 1 core, so clock speed is important)

Amithlon is single core just like AmigaOS. It only uses one core.

Muadib · 11 October 2017, 20:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by emufan

Muadib: some cool camera movement.

do you use some DOF addon to change the focus of the cam?

the emulators layout/modeler performance indeed feels like playing with my old 030/882.
this did never really improve when emulating.

Oops, I must have missed some messages!

Thanks! No, everything is through envelope manipulation, all three Camera Aspects (zoom, DOF, F-Stop). I'll include the scene as well when I' m finished with modelling.

I did spend some time watching some BSG scenes over and over again, trying to translate them to keyframing over time... Mindbending...

Muadib · 11 October 2017, 20:24

@Emufan for a BIIIIG speed up on UAE enable 'Immediate Blitter' and everything will be lightning fast!

emufan · 11 October 2017, 23:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muadib

I did spend some time watching some BSG scenes over and over again, trying to translate them to keyframing over time... Mindbending...

oh wow, this is even more impressive

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muadib

@Emufan for a BIIIIG speed up on UAE enable 'Immediate Blitter' and everything will be lightning fast!

things u never touch, until a game does not work. it is indeed a lot faster now

SnkBitten · 12 October 2017, 02:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muadib

@Emufan for a BIIIIG speed up on UAE enable 'Immediate Blitter' and everything will be lightning fast!

Great, this makes WinUAE more useful for Lightwave now.

Muadib · 12 October 2017, 12:51

Great!

Muadib · 12 October 2017, 13:23

I was going through the latest messages in case I had missed anyone else's...

@SnkBitten you mentioned that you can't playback the preview in Layout, how come?

SnkBitten · 12 October 2017, 13:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muadib

I was going through the latest messages in case I had missed anyone else's...

@SnkBitten you mentioned that you can't playback the preview in Layout, how come?

It's a Lightwave thing. The Preview playback depends on the Amiga native graphics and Amithlon doesn't support those. So having to ModePro promote Layout makes Preview playback not happen. I can make the preview and watch it make, just not play it back.

Amithlon is all P96 screenmodes and some basic FakeNative:Hires stuff.

Muadib · 12 October 2017, 13:29

Interesting. So, not even Picasso users can playback previews on non-AGA screens? Or?

SnkBitten · 12 October 2017, 13:30

Oh...and just for grins....I'm still trying to get a better "turbo thrust" effect. I may have to start looking at some other methods. I'm definitely looking forward to your scene file and objects so I can pick up a few techniques you are doing.

http://www.tomcrews.com/Vids/viper4d.mp4

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10 October 2017, 22:36	#61
Muadib Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Stockholm/Sweden Posts: 285	@SnkBitten Awesome! A true reminder of the old BSG Viper Turbo !

10 October 2017, 22:39	#62
Muadib Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Stockholm/Sweden Posts: 285	@SnkBitten, BTW, What hardware have you installed Amithlon on? I hear Amithlon has the fastest performance with LW, even when compared to WinUAE, is it true?

10 October 2017, 23:53	#63
SnkBitten Amithlon Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Lexington, SC / US Posts: 781	It's an Intel Core2Duo running at 4 GHz. It runs faster than my WinUAE setup on an i7 at 3.4 GHz, very noticable when in Lightwave 3d and rendering a scene preview in wireframe. You can't playback the preview but making it runs near real-time anyway. You can keep all your objects as wireframe too when manipulating them in composing your scene which is nice. Actual 24bit frame renders aren't much different though compared to my WinUAE config....but scene composing and preview making are much nicer on Amithlon. Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

11 October 2017, 00:10	#64
emufan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: #DrainTheSwamp Posts: 4,545	Muadib: some cool camera movement. do you use some DOF addon to change the focus of the cam? the emulators layout/modeler performance indeed feels like playing with my old 030/882. this did never really improve when emulating.

11 October 2017, 13:52	#66
Muadib Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Stockholm/Sweden Posts: 285	Cool! And rendering times?

11 October 2017, 14:33	#68
Marchie Registered User Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Sydney / London Posts: 589	So cool to see the Amiga animation goodness! Love your walking puppet emufan, and the ship too Maudib - nice cameras. Keep it up guys!

11 October 2017, 18:30	#69
Muadib Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Stockholm/Sweden Posts: 285	@Marchie Many thanks! @SnkBitten This rendering on Amithlon, WOW! Does LW take advantage of every core? I have to do this scene on both my real and UAE Amiga to compare... (As far as I know, each WinUAE instance 'sees' 1 core, so clock speed is important)

11 October 2017, 20:24	#73
Muadib Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Stockholm/Sweden Posts: 285	@Emufan for a BIIIIG speed up on UAE enable 'Immediate Blitter' and everything will be lightning fast!

12 October 2017, 12:51	#76
Muadib Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Stockholm/Sweden Posts: 285	Great!

12 October 2017, 13:23	#77
Muadib Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Stockholm/Sweden Posts: 285	I was going through the latest messages in case I had missed anyone else's... @SnkBitten you mentioned that you can't playback the preview in Layout, how come?

12 October 2017, 13:29	#79
Muadib Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Stockholm/Sweden Posts: 285	Interesting. So, not even Picasso users can playback previews on non-AGA screens? Or?

12 October 2017, 13:30	#80
SnkBitten Amithlon Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Lexington, SC / US Posts: 781	Oh...and just for grins....I'm still trying to get a better "turbo thrust" effect. I may have to start looking at some other methods. I'm definitely looking forward to your scene file and objects so I can pick up a few techniques you are doing. http://www.tomcrews.com/Vids/viper4d.mp4

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