So, whats up with AROS? Is it dead? - Page 2

hth313 · 09 December 2018, 18:38

After having tried to use a RPi in couple of ways, I can only say that they are mostly hampered due to memory limitations. It cannot take modern fat software, like web browsers well. It just keeps running of memory, though it also suffers to some degree because of a tad weak CPU. Or rather, due to all the abstraction levels used today. For more old school or less bloated things they are great.

This could perhaps improve in coming generations of RPi, or maybe further abstractions will just prevent it from happening.

I think AROS on RPi is a super good idea. It provides a common platform so that anyone can pick something up that just works, without having to try and hunt down various specific parts that may be old as well. Just order a cheap RPi and you are ready to go. This is something I think has been missing in the past, an easy and inexpensive way to get into it that just works out of the box.

I hope for AROS on my A3000 some day, but I can see that the RPi could be what I mostly end up using instead as a fun Amiga style hobby computer. The RPi is new, provides much improved graphics, way more memory and a significantly more powerful CPU. And all that for something that can be compared to filling up the car, and I can put it in my pocket! For me, the operating system and software was and is the most interesting part of it, not the actual chip set.

In addition to AROS RPi there is activity on the 68k side too. (Perhaps x86 as well, I do not follow that so closely.)

I am a low level developer (but I know my way around high up in the sky as well). The problem is that I have no time for matters like this at the moment, but I keep my eyes on AROS and I hope to find some small amount of time here and there, at some point.

wawa · 10 December 2018, 04:08

@martinw:
you can rejoin us on slack.

terminills · 11 December 2018, 13:40

Here's an update on the native raspeberry pi port of AROS.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/digging-through-23261667

Marlon_ · 11 December 2018, 14:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by wawa

@martinw:
you can rejoin us on slack.

For anyone interested, you can join our slack here:
https://join.slack.com/t/amigaports/...DA1OWQwNGY4MWQ

Direct link to the aros channel when you have signed up:
https://amigaports.slack.com/messages/CCY3RF5T9

Samurai_Crow · 11 December 2018, 15:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by terminills

Here's an update on the native raspeberry pi port of AROS.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/digging-through-23261667

Excellent news!

rare_j · 11 December 2018, 21:52

I know it's a long way off, but this, with a JIT interpreter for system friendly 68k binaries, and UAE for hardware banging software, would be amaze. A next-gen amiga for all.

grhmhome · 11 December 2018, 23:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by terminills

Here's an update on the native raspeberry pi port of AROS.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/digging-through-23261667

That is good news. One step closer to having a next gen Amiga OS on Arm hardware.

MartinW · 12 December 2018, 02:17

Regardless of my opinion of PI's, this could be really good for Aros and drive a lot of interest. Is there any chance that ABI v1 could be finalised and see an official release at any point in the near future?

grhmhome · 12 December 2018, 08:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinW

Regardless of my opinion of PI's, this could be really good for Aros and drive a lot of interest. Is there any chance that ABI v1 could be finalised and see an official release at any point in the near future?

The Raspberry PI might not be the fastest computer out there, but this would definitely drive up interest, and could lead to ports on more powerful arm hardware.

Dunny · 12 December 2018, 10:24

If the claims that AROS is extremely lightweight and comparable to classic AmigaOS then the Pi will be more than enough to run it and run it well - boot times should be almost instant if that is the case, and overall CPU usage being lower would mitigate many of the Pi's shortcomings in the speed department.

I have to admit, if they got all the hardware issues sorted on the Pi then I might actually go back to writing software for AROS again.

Marlon_ · 12 December 2018, 10:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunny

If the claims that AROS is extremely lightweight and comparable to classic AmigaOS then the Pi will be more than enough to run it and run it well - boot times should be almost instant if that is the case, and overall CPU usage being lower would mitigate many of the Pi's shortcomings in the speed department.

I have to admit, if they got all the hardware issues sorted on the Pi then I might actually go back to writing software for AROS again.

It's getting there, slowly, but it's going forward.

wawa · 08 January 2019, 01:09

heads up. aros booting on a600/vampire2. note the lcd is hooked to the rgb output so it is ecs amiga chipset in action.
https://1drv.ms/v/s!AuvzEgbTrkxPgb42jYyrZOyke4KUGA
sorry for video quality but it isnt a proper presentation, rather a proof of concept that it actually works.

amiwolf · 08 January 2019, 11:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by wawa

heads up. aros booting on a600/vampire2. note the lcd is hooked to the rgb output so it is ecs amiga chipset in action.
https://1drv.ms/v/s!AuvzEgbTrkxPgb42jYyrZOyke4KUGA
sorry for video quality but it isnt a proper presentation, rather a proof of concept that it actually works.

Thanks for your work on this, wawa. An OS independent of Amiga Inc./Hyperion/Cloanto that can also be freely tuned for the '080 is an important goal.

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09 December 2018, 18:38	#21
hth313 Registered User Join Date: May 2018 Location: Delta, Canada Posts: 192	After having tried to use a RPi in couple of ways, I can only say that they are mostly hampered due to memory limitations. It cannot take modern fat software, like web browsers well. It just keeps running of memory, though it also suffers to some degree because of a tad weak CPU. Or rather, due to all the abstraction levels used today. For more old school or less bloated things they are great. This could perhaps improve in coming generations of RPi, or maybe further abstractions will just prevent it from happening. I think AROS on RPi is a super good idea. It provides a common platform so that anyone can pick something up that just works, without having to try and hunt down various specific parts that may be old as well. Just order a cheap RPi and you are ready to go. This is something I think has been missing in the past, an easy and inexpensive way to get into it that just works out of the box. I hope for AROS on my A3000 some day, but I can see that the RPi could be what I mostly end up using instead as a fun Amiga style hobby computer. The RPi is new, provides much improved graphics, way more memory and a significantly more powerful CPU. And all that for something that can be compared to filling up the car, and I can put it in my pocket! For me, the operating system and software was and is the most interesting part of it, not the actual chip set. In addition to AROS RPi there is activity on the 68k side too. (Perhaps x86 as well, I do not follow that so closely.) I am a low level developer (but I know my way around high up in the sky as well). The problem is that I have no time for matters like this at the moment, but I keep my eyes on AROS and I hope to find some small amount of time here and there, at some point.

10 December 2018, 04:08	#22
wawa Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: berlin/germany Posts: 1,054	@martinw: you can rejoin us on slack.

11 December 2018, 13:40	#23
terminills Registered User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: USA Posts: 39	Here's an update on the native raspeberry pi port of AROS. https://www.patreon.com/posts/digging-through-23261667

11 December 2018, 21:52	#26
rare_j Zone Friend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 1,176	I know it's a long way off, but this, with a JIT interpreter for system friendly 68k binaries, and UAE for hardware banging software, would be amaze. A next-gen amiga for all.

12 December 2018, 02:17	#28
MartinW Registered User Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Minehead / UK Posts: 608	Regardless of my opinion of PI's, this could be really good for Aros and drive a lot of interest. Is there any chance that ABI v1 could be finalised and see an official release at any point in the near future?

12 December 2018, 10:24	#30
Dunny Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Scunthorpe/United Kingdom Posts: 1,980	If the claims that AROS is extremely lightweight and comparable to classic AmigaOS then the Pi will be more than enough to run it and run it well - boot times should be almost instant if that is the case, and overall CPU usage being lower would mitigate many of the Pi's shortcomings in the speed department. I have to admit, if they got all the hardware issues sorted on the Pi then I might actually go back to writing software for AROS again.

08 January 2019, 01:09	#32
wawa Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: berlin/germany Posts: 1,054	heads up. aros booting on a600/vampire2. note the lcd is hooked to the rgb output so it is ecs amiga chipset in action. https://1drv.ms/v/s!AuvzEgbTrkxPgb42jYyrZOyke4KUGA sorry for video quality but it isnt a proper presentation, rather a proof of concept that it actually works.

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