Personal Nightmare 5 disks version

kremiso · 09 September 2023, 18:50

Someone knows what's the story behind this particular game version?
in the Tosec is marked as 'fake release' :

http://ftp2.grandis.nu/turransearch/...0&httplinks=on

i know the Atari ST version was on 5 disks, it could be something related?

Seiya · 09 September 2023, 20:46

i don't know if it is fake, but this game working both in adf format, ipf and whdload. Maybe it is an error in who has edited the file name in the tosec.

kremiso · 09 September 2023, 21:15

this old post attracted my curiosity :

https://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=493452&postcount=5

Crashdisk · 11 September 2023, 17:03

Why this release is a fake?

1st Alert : The filling rate
- Disk 1 : 99.71%
- Disk 2 : 89.63%
- Disk 3 : 59.28%
- Disk 4 : 53.07%
- Disk 5 : 37.75%

2nd Alert : Duplicate files

Code:

Disk Format : DOS datadisk
 - Block Allocation Map was found in sector 882
 - Disk name            : <DISK5>
 - Last root alteration : 1990.05.12 00:30:15
 - Last disk alteration : 1990.05.12 00:30:18
 - Rate of filling      : 37.75% (based on BAM information)
 - Rate of filling      : 37.75% (based on sectors identification)

-------------- -------- -------- -- -- -- ---------------- ---------------------------------------------------
 Content list |  Size  | CRC32  |BA|HR|SQ|      Date      | Information                                       |
-------------- -------- -------- -- -- -- ---------------- ---------------------------------------------------
E1.IN         |   1.460|54277B41|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:38| > Already on disk 3                               |
E2.IN         |   3.660|C140043C|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:31| > Already on disk 2                               |
E3.in         |   7.416|DF7E7AD0|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:31| > Already on disk 2                               |
R1.IN         |   2.156|618A4393|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:35| > Already on disk 2                               |
R2.IN         |  65.096|170B5358|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:36| > Already on disk 2                               |
R3.IN         |   3.008|FA464095|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:36| > Already on disk 2                               |
S1.IN         |     976|BCDC5838|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:38| > Already on disk 3                               |
S2.IN         |  29.076|EE1522A7|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:38| > Already on disk 3                               |
S3.IN         |  75.232|B5A61E72|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:38| > Already on disk 3                               |
V1.IN         |   1.904|565EC209|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:36| > Already on disk 2                               |
V2.IN         |  43.640|DE2668FD|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:36| > Already on disk 2                               |
V3.in         |  12.696|5F075CE6|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:38| > Already on disk 3                               |
W1.IN         |     244|66BE763E|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:38| > Already on disk 3                               |
W2.IN         |   2.072|E6646FA5|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:36| > Already on disk 2                               |
W3.IN         |       0|00000000|OK|OK|NA|1990.05.11 10:36| > ...                                             |
X1.in         |     160|BBE97450|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:37| > Already on disk 2                               |
X2.IN         |  12.632|4CD1D785|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:37| > Already on disk 2                               |
X3.IN         |       0|00000000|OK|OK|NA|1990.05.11 10:37| > ...                                             |
Y1.IN         |     924|65CA32AA|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:38| > Already on disk 3                               |
Y2.IN         |  32.312|00000000|KO|OK|KO|1990.05.11 10:39|Sect 158 seq 5 => Data block filled >>$00 Filled<< |
Y3.IN         |  19.464|4A93D840|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:39| > Already on disk 3                               |
  -------------- -------- -------- -- -- -- ---------------- ---------------------------------------------------

and it's the same with disk 4 ...

I don't know if I still need to develop the subject!?

TCD · 11 September 2023, 17:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crashdisk

Why this release is a fake?

1st Alert : The filling rate
- Disk 1 : 99.71%
- Disk 2 : 89.63%
- Disk 3 : 59.28%
- Disk 4 : 53.07%
- Disk 5 : 37.75%

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Crashdisk · 11 September 2023, 17:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCD

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I just got back from vacation, but if you pay for it, I'll go back!

TCD · 11 September 2023, 17:36

I just meant the low filling rates of the disks. Like data scraped over too many disks

Vacation sounds nice though. Could use one of those

Crashdisk · 11 September 2023, 17:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCD

I just meant the low filling rates of the disks. Like data scraped over too many disks

Vacation sounds nice though. Could use one of those

We retain what suits us. For the vacations, I remain open ^^
No vacations on the horizon for you?

TCD · 11 September 2023, 17:50

In a few months maybe. I hope you had a good one

Crashdisk · 11 September 2023, 18:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCD

I hope you had a good one

Madeira is a beautiful island

We will kill two birds with one stone (a real PN 5 disks and vacations soon) :

Don_Adan · 11 September 2023, 18:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crashdisk

Why this release is a fake?

1st Alert : The filling rate
- Disk 1 : 99.71%
- Disk 2 : 89.63%
- Disk 3 : 59.28%
- Disk 4 : 53.07%
- Disk 5 : 37.75%

2nd Alert : Duplicate files

Code:

Disk Format : DOS datadisk
 - Block Allocation Map was found in sector 882
 - Disk name            : <DISK5>
 - Last root alteration : 1990.05.12 00:30:15
 - Last disk alteration : 1990.05.12 00:30:18
 - Rate of filling      : 37.75% (based on BAM information)
 - Rate of filling      : 37.75% (based on sectors identification)

-------------- -------- -------- -- -- -- ---------------- ---------------------------------------------------
 Content list |  Size  | CRC32  |BA|HR|SQ|      Date      | Information                                       |
-------------- -------- -------- -- -- -- ---------------- ---------------------------------------------------
E1.IN         |   1.460|54277B41|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:38| > Already on disk 3                               |
E2.IN         |   3.660|C140043C|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:31| > Already on disk 2                               |
E3.in         |   7.416|DF7E7AD0|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:31| > Already on disk 2                               |
R1.IN         |   2.156|618A4393|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:35| > Already on disk 2                               |
R2.IN         |  65.096|170B5358|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:36| > Already on disk 2                               |
R3.IN         |   3.008|FA464095|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:36| > Already on disk 2                               |
S1.IN         |     976|BCDC5838|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:38| > Already on disk 3                               |
S2.IN         |  29.076|EE1522A7|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:38| > Already on disk 3                               |
S3.IN         |  75.232|B5A61E72|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:38| > Already on disk 3                               |
V1.IN         |   1.904|565EC209|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:36| > Already on disk 2                               |
V2.IN         |  43.640|DE2668FD|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:36| > Already on disk 2                               |
V3.in         |  12.696|5F075CE6|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:38| > Already on disk 3                               |
W1.IN         |     244|66BE763E|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:38| > Already on disk 3                               |
W2.IN         |   2.072|E6646FA5|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:36| > Already on disk 2                               |
W3.IN         |       0|00000000|OK|OK|NA|1990.05.11 10:36| > ...                                             |
X1.in         |     160|BBE97450|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:37| > Already on disk 2                               |
X2.IN         |  12.632|4CD1D785|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:37| > Already on disk 2                               |
X3.IN         |       0|00000000|OK|OK|NA|1990.05.11 10:37| > ...                                             |
Y1.IN         |     924|65CA32AA|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:38| > Already on disk 3                               |
Y2.IN         |  32.312|00000000|KO|OK|KO|1990.05.11 10:39|Sect 158 seq 5 => Data block filled >>$00 Filled<< |
Y3.IN         |  19.464|4A93D840|OK|OK|OK|1990.05.11 10:39| > Already on disk 3                               |
  -------------- -------- -------- -- -- -- ---------------- ---------------------------------------------------

and it's the same with disk 4 ...

I don't know if I still need to develop the subject!?

I think that You are wrong. First (beta ?) version has 5 disks like Atari ST version. Duplicated
files often exist on Horror Soft/Adventure Soft games for less disks swapping, from my memory f.e. Simon the Sorcerer game. Some Amiga games was published on 2 disks and later released on 1 disk. More important is checking/compare main file for both game version.

dlfrsilver · 11 September 2023, 19:59

I have made a set of IPF of the retail ST version, it has 5 disks (plus it has a copy protection on disk 5!)

dlfrsilver · 11 September 2023, 20:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don_Adan

I think that You are wrong. First (beta ?) version has 5 disks like Atari ST version. Duplicated
files often exist on Horror Soft/Adventure Soft games for less disks swapping, from my memory f.e. Simon the Sorcerer game. Some Amiga games was published on 2 disks and later released on 1 disk. More important is checking/compare main file for both game version.

For me the amiga version is 5 disks like the ST version.

Crashdisk · 11 September 2023, 20:17

It would be good news if I were wrong! This would be more interesting than a fake, however, has anyone played this version and can confirm the use of disks 4 and 5 in game?

the difference between the two versions (3D vs 5D) comes down to 2 files :
- night.dbm
- var

demoniac · 11 September 2023, 21:48

I haven't looked at the files, my guess is that at some point they realized that they could save manufacturing money by reducing the number of disks to 3.

TCD · 12 September 2023, 07:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by demoniac

I haven't looked at the files, my guess is that at some point they realized that they could save manufacturing money by reducing the number of disks to 3.

Or it is a leaked pre-release version before they reduced the amount of disks.

kremiso · 12 September 2023, 13:15

thanks for the infos, i also suspect a somewhat beta, despite that user post mentioning he had the original too

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crashdisk

...has anyone played this version and can confirm the use of disks 4 and 5 in game?

the difference between the two versions (3D vs 5D) comes down to 2 files :
- night.dbm
- var

good question, i'm trying to play a little into it atm, no disk 4 and 5 accesses so far
i have completed the 3 disks versions, but it was eons ago, i forgot almost everything

TCD · 12 September 2023, 13:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by kremiso

i have completed the 3 disks versions, but it was eons ago, i forgot almost everything

Here is a walkthrough: https://www.walkthroughking.com/text...nightmare.aspx

kremiso · 12 September 2023, 13:38

^^ copy/pasted and splitted the desktop window in two lol
oh yes, the vampire was the first thing to get rid of

EDIT i restarted the game using a 512k + 512k slow config, cause using a 1MB Chip setting the game crashed at the end of day one, during the vampire encounter on streets

kremiso · 13 September 2023, 16:36

update
reached the beginning of day4 (the last one)
still no disk4 and 5 accesses, so far

close to the sad confirm

@TCD, that walkthrough is incorrect at least in two parts, surely better the general hints/solution txt on FTP

09 September 2023, 18:50	#1
kremiso Registered User Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: Italy Posts: 1,902	Personal Nightmare 5 disks version Someone knows what's the story behind this particular game version? in the Tosec is marked as 'fake release' : http://ftp2.grandis.nu/turransearch/...0&httplinks=on i know the Atari ST version was on 5 disks, it could be something related?

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09 September 2023, 20:46	#2
Seiya Registered User Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Italy Posts: 2,369	i don't know if it is fake, but this game working both in adf format, ipf and whdload. Maybe it is an error in who has edited the file name in the tosec.

09 September 2023, 21:15	#3
kremiso Registered User Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: Italy Posts: 1,902	this old post attracted my curiosity : https://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=493452&postcount=5

11 September 2023, 17:36	#7
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,613	I just meant the low filling rates of the disks. Like data scraped over too many disks Vacation sounds nice though. Could use one of those

11 September 2023, 17:50	#9
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,613	In a few months maybe. I hope you had a good one

11 September 2023, 19:59	#12
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,428	I have made a set of IPF of the retail ST version, it has 5 disks (plus it has a copy protection on disk 5!)

11 September 2023, 20:17	#14
Crashdisk Moderator Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: France Age: 46 Posts: 1,985	It would be good news if I were wrong! This would be more interesting than a fake, however, has anyone played this version and can confirm the use of disks 4 and 5 in game? the difference between the two versions (3D vs 5D) comes down to 2 files : - night.dbm - var

11 September 2023, 21:48	#15
demoniac Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: - Posts: 1,696	I haven't looked at the files, my guess is that at some point they realized that they could save manufacturing money by reducing the number of disks to 3.

12 September 2023, 13:38	#19
kremiso Registered User Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: Italy Posts: 1,902	^^ copy/pasted and splitted the desktop window in two lol oh yes, the vampire was the first thing to get rid of EDIT i restarted the game using a 512k + 512k slow config, cause using a 1MB Chip setting the game crashed at the end of day one, during the vampire encounter on streets

13 September 2023, 16:36	#20
kremiso Registered User Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: Italy Posts: 1,902	update reached the beginning of day4 (the last one) still no disk4 and 5 accesses, so far close to the sad confirm @TCD, that walkthrough is incorrect at least in two parts, surely better the general hints/solution txt on FTP

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