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Old 25 November 2018, 02:33   #1
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EU article 13 and copyright

Will this have any impact on the scene?

Youtube and Tim Berners-Lee have already expressed concern over it.
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Old 25 November 2018, 08:53   #2
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Will this have any impact on the scene?

Youtube and Tim Berners-Lee have already expressed concern over it.
Well from what I have read it appears to be the LIABILITY part that is the cause of concern.

So sites like Youtube will probably just shut down all channels located in the EU and be done with it.

Of course they will probably not actually take them down but rather put them in stasis until any litigation pending has a chance to go around.

I certainly wouldn't want to be a site owner or run a board and be held liable for anything said and/or posted by it's users.

But of course in regards to EAB only RCK can make that final decision.
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Old 26 November 2018, 14:01   #3
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It had to happen sooner or later, people now just blindly assume that magic tooling exists and works flawlessly so you can make up any policy you want and expect computers to magically solve it for you.
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Old 29 November 2018, 23:04   #4
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From an article in Le Monde :
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[...] platforms and rights holders will have to "cooperate in good faith" without leading to an "automated blocking" , however the technical filtering remains mentioned in the text of the directive.

Will be concerned all sites that allow users to post text, sound and video, with the exception of very small sites and encyclopedias online. This means that virtually all content posted by Internet users will be inspected, and that, if necessary, their publication will be blocked.[...]
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Old 30 November 2018, 00:21   #5
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That basically is the issue, by default auto-blocking and no longer posting of anything to be safe, so it will basically shut down sites due to not having the resources to do this process, be it automated or otherwise

I would automatically not allow anything to be posted due to this if I was running a Forum as I wouldn't want to risk litigation.
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Old 30 November 2018, 13:27   #6
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Guess we'll all have to move to the dark web.
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Old 23 January 2019, 01:44   #7
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Now Square Enix in relation to their new ReFriender on Final Fantasy have made a statement:

"Lastly, we have no plans to extend the support of ReFriender for the European region. Unfortunately, due to strict General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), we have decided to not support the European regions."

I can see this happening a lot, if it has not already.
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Now Square Enix in relation to their new ReFriender on Final Fantasy have made a statement:

"Lastly, we have no plans to extend the support of ReFriender for the European region. Unfortunately, due to strict General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), we have decided to not support the European regions."

I can see this happening a lot, if it has not already.
Indeed, basically there will be limited to no services that many peeps would want to use.
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Profit loss will make them return.
Give time to time
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Old 25 January 2019, 11:47   #11
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All depends on if they see it as worth the time, and how much they actually generate from the EU customer base in the first place.

If GDPR isn't implemented correctly, they can face fines of 4% of their annual revenue income.

This is why a lot of websites and services outside of the EU have just out right blocked EU citizens from accessing the websites.
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I've been reading through and the law is very vague, and even differs from state to state.

- Some law sites say hobby (non business, not for profit) websites and forums have to be GDPR complaint when data is being collected (even just an IP address). Others say, most definitely if they are receiving an income (from banner ad's?).

- This applies all over the world. So if the person is a EU citizen, visiting the USA, and orders a pizza from a US based restaurant online, then that company has to be GDPR complaint. However, I'm not sure how the EU can enforce it's laws outside of its own boundaries.

The EU acts like a country on the world stage, in my opinion.
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- Some law sites say hobby (non business, not for profit) websites and forums have to be GDPR complaint when data is being collected (even just an IP address). Others say, most definitely if they are receiving an income (from banner ad's?).
That doesn't preclude the possibility of hobby sites also being required to adhere to GDPR. The directive itself has parts specific to business, and parts specific to users. The user-specific parts apply to any website or other data processing and holding system that holds user information, so they must be adhered to even by hobby websites like forums. The business parts are in addition to this, and must be adhered to by businesses.

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- This applies all over the world. So if the person is a EU citizen, visiting the USA, and orders a pizza from a US based restaurant online, then that company has to be GDPR complaint. However, I'm not sure how the EU can enforce it's laws outside of its own boundaries.
That's not really how it works. If the EU citizen is in the US, they're subject to US laws, not EU laws. The bit about applying all over the world is about companies outside the EU doing business in the EU. If you do business in the EU, you have to follow the EU law. It doesn't matter if that business is located in a different country. It's not just the EU, pretty much any country will have the same approach. I can't sell goods or services to the US without them meeting US laws either for example. While there's not a whole lot the EU can do about individuals, they can ban companies from trading and issue hefty fines, which might not be applicable to an individual site, but might have a serious impact on the site's parent company, hosting company or whoever who does trade with the EU.

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Isn't that the whole point in having a union? So that there's a united voice in international matters, and harmonised standards between states to simplify trade and for fairer treatment of customers between member states. Each country in the EU implements their own laws based on the directives issues by the EU. That's why the laws vary slightly from state to state, but the essence of them remains the same throughout the EU.
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Isn't that the whole point in having a union? So that there's a united voice in international matters, and harmonised standards between states to simplify trade and for fairer treatment of customers between member states. Each country in the EU implements their own laws based on the directives issues by the EU. That's why the laws vary slightly from state to state, but the essence of them remains the same throughout the EU.
The EU is made up of many different countries and cultures. Not everyone is going to agree with a 'united voice' on many matters, as some countries have different interests to others. Remember, the now EU wasn't the EU until 1992 (previously the EEC - a common market) when it became a political union. Not a lot of countries voted for that, even France voted marginally (51%), some voted against, and some didn't get a vote at all.

Anyway, I understand the concept of GDPR and what it's trying to do, but I personally think that its gone over the top, and is too regulated and protected. What's more worrying, especially for the emulation scene, game streaming and content is the pending Article 11 and 13.
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Old 25 January 2019, 16:55   #15
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Something similar to article 11 and 13 is bound to be made into law for most countries eventually. The people behind these ideas are not EU politicians, but big content owning companies (including pretty much the entire music industry). They'll just keep lobbying until they get what they want.

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The EU is made up of many different countries and cultures. Not everyone is going to agree with a 'united voice' on many matters, as some countries have different interests to others. Remember, the now EU wasn't the EU until 1992 (previously the EEC - a common market) when it became a political union. Not a lot of countries voted for that, even France voted marginally (51%), some voted against, and some didn't get a vote at all.
Every country currently in the EU agreed to be bound by the rules of the game (i.e. how laws get passed in the EU). Meaning, the national parliaments all had to vote on being members of the political union. They all did so and each and every one of the current EU members voted to agree to be part of this union.

So you are in effect wrong, all countries currently in the EU voted for it and all were in favour of the joining this political union.
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The EU is made up of many different countries and cultures.
Your other points have already been covered by roondar, but I'm really puzzled about this bit - the beauty of the EU is that is not only allows this multi-cultural aspect while presenting the economic benefits of a single entity, but even goes out of its way to protect and cherish the various cultures and the opinions and preferences of individual states.
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