Broken A600 hd

mtb · 25 July 2008, 03:08

Hello everyone,

after a long
period of abstinence i have some time to dedicate to Amiga and retrocomputing in general.

I have obtained an amiga 600 with a 2,5" Seagate ST9235AG internal hard drive.

Unfortunatly the Amiga didn't booted the first time, but after several retries it loaded wb ( http://images.wikia.com/compvter/it/...miga-600-b.jpg ) where i saw protracker, hippoplayer and a drawer called "Moduli". After i double clicked Moduli ( sounded interesting to me, maybe that amiga was used to create music ) i obtained some hdd error, a crash and i have been unable to boot anymore.

Now i have tried to connect the hd to the pc via an usb adapter.

Does someone can confirm me that it is possibile to at least create an image ( using for example gnu ddrescue with system rescue cd ) of an amiga hard drive?

I'm not talking about reading the content, but only about raw copying as much hd as possibile to a file.

When i plug it i obtain a lot of errors

Quote:

usb-storage: device found at 16
usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
usb-storage: device scan complete
scsi 18:0:0:0: Direct-Access ST9235AG 06.0 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS
sd 18:0:0:0: [sdf] 1 512-byte hardware sectors (0 MB)
sd 18:0:0:0: [sdf] Write Protect is off
sd 18:0:0:0: [sdf] Mode Sense: 00 14 00 00
sd 18:0:0:0: [sdf] Assuming drive cache: write through
sd 18:0:0:0: [sdf] 1 512-byte hardware sectors (0 MB)
sd 18:0:0:0: [sdf] Write Protect is off
sd 18:0:0:0: [sdf] Mode Sense: 00 14 00 00
sd 18:0:0:0: [sdf] Assuming drive cache: write through
sdf:<3>end_request: I/O error, dev sdf, sector 0
printk: 10 messages suppressed.
Buffer I/O error on device sdf, logical block 0
end_request: I/O error, dev sdf, sector 0
Buffer I/O error on device sdf, logical block 0
end_request: I/O error, dev sdf, sector 0
Buffer I/O error on device sdf, logical block 0
end_request: I/O error, dev sdf, sector 0
Buffer I/O error on device sdf, logical block 0
ldm_validate_partition_table(): Disk read failed.
end_request: I/O error, dev sdf, sector 0
end_request: I/O error, dev sdf, sector 0
end_request: I/O error, dev sdf, sector 0
end_request: I/O error, dev sdf, sector 0
Dev sdf: unable to read RDB block 0
end_request: I/O error, dev sdf, sector 0
end_request: I/O error, dev sdf, sector 0
end_request: I/O error, dev sdf, sector 0
unable to read partition table
sd 18:0:0:0: [sdf] Attached SCSI disk
sd 18:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg6 type 0
end_request: I/O error, dev sdf, sector 0
end_request: I/O error, dev sdf, sector 0
usb 2-1: USB disconnect, address 16

And nothing else. Maybe i will try to freeze it.

Also dd_rescue reports nothing, since the hd is recognized as a 1 512-byte hardware sectors (0 MB)

.

Thank you in advance.

rkauer · 25 July 2008, 03:28

There is a linux "driver" for Amiga FastFileSystem, but since I'm not in the "L" World (bad joke, I know)...

But yes, dd can help you. Better use an Amithlon CD (boot from it) and then dump the HD contents to a Linu* partition.

mtb · 25 July 2008, 09:54

I know there is a filesystem driver ( affs iirc as mount type ). And yes, in fact you confirm i should be able to read that hd, so it's only a (big) hardware problem.

I don't have Amithlon, but i don't even need it.

Mad-Matt · 25 July 2008, 13:18

maybe it takes a few power cycles of the drive to get it to spin up properly. winuae can make a hdf image if thats of any use.

mtb · 25 July 2008, 14:53

Thank you, i have already tried to turn off and on at least 30 times

.

Seems really gone. It is in the freezer from tonight, soon i'll try it whilst it is cool

mtb · 25 July 2008, 21:23

It was very very cold but it doesn't work as before

Suggestions?

rkauer · 25 July 2008, 21:29

A couple:

buy a new 2.5" HD and install ClassicWB on it. Bloodwych's work is fantastic ans spares you a lot of time.

BTW: what ROM version you have on your 600? If 37300, only 40Mb HD would securely work (I have lucky and mine works with a IBM 2Gb unit).

If 37350, any HD up to 2Gb works flawlessly. And even some IBM 6.5Gb will be recognised!

mtb · 25 July 2008, 23:06

I ask suggestions about how to read the content of the broken hd.

I'm really curious about that drawer containing songs, and i have no idea about how to recover the content

. I have tried everything i know.

Thank you for the hints about kickstart version, i remember that problems. And iirc with 37299 hd didn't work at all.

Btw, I have tried ClassicWB some time ago ( years... ) and it was beautiful. And i'm sure now will be even better.

rkauer · 26 July 2008, 01:33

And it is.

If you want a bunch of songs, I will compress my "tiny" mods drawer...

The little compressed archive was about 45Mb last time I did this...

AGN · 26 July 2008, 03:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtb

Hello everyone,
I have obtained an amiga 600 with a 2,5" Seagate ST9235AG internal hard drive.

Now i have tried to connect the hd to the pc via an usb adapter.

Does someone can confirm me that it is possibile to at least create an image ( using for example gnu ddrescue with system rescue cd ) of an amiga hard drive?

I'm not talking about reading the content, but only about raw copying as much hd as possibile to a file.

When i plug it i obtain a lot of errors

Also dd_rescue reports nothing, since the hd is recognized as a 1 512-byte hardware sectors (0 MB)

.

Thank you in advance.

Find someone with 3,5" <-> 2,5" adapter and connect drive that way.
Second, download seagate diagnostic stuff called SeaTools and check drive with it.
Third. Do not buy any hdd. Use CF<->IDE adaptor. Better, faster, etc.
Best image can be done using 'dd if=/dev/sdf of=file_image'.

Photon · 26 July 2008, 18:48

Yes, make an image of the drive in some other computer (or in the Amiga if no drive imagers for pc/linux can't handle ffs, I don't think there's a disk imager for Amiga at least), and then get a $10 2.5" to CF adapter off eBay + a $30 2GB CF card, then throw the harddisk away.

I got DriveImage XML from Runtime Software for my PC recently, ask them if they know about ffs. Excellent software from that company

mtb · 13 August 2008, 20:11

i have just received the 2.5" - 3,5" adapter ( for only 4 € including shipping, but it took 2 weeks ), plugged it on a pc, launched gnu ddrescue, and recovered almost everything

Only 350kb or so out of 200Mb are lost due to disk problems. It took about 1 hour to read everything, but it has been worth.

Btw, mods were few but i have never heard them. Zone?

rkauer · 13 August 2008, 23:30

YES! Please do it! Is always interesting to know some songs. Even if they are old ones.

mtb · 14 August 2008, 09:00

They are in the zone.

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25 July 2008, 03:28	#2
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	There is a linux "driver" for Amiga FastFileSystem, but since I'm not in the "L" World (bad joke, I know)... But yes, dd can help you. Better use an Amithlon CD (boot from it) and then dump the HD contents to a Linu* partition.

25 July 2008, 09:54	#3
mtb Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Italy Age: 40 Posts: 466	I know there is a filesystem driver ( affs iirc as mount type ). And yes, in fact you confirm i should be able to read that hd, so it's only a (big) hardware problem. I don't have Amithlon, but i don't even need it.

25 July 2008, 13:18	#4
Mad-Matt Longplayer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lincoln / UK Age: 44 Posts: 1,851	maybe it takes a few power cycles of the drive to get it to spin up properly. winuae can make a hdf image if thats of any use.

25 July 2008, 14:53	#5
mtb Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Italy Age: 40 Posts: 466	Thank you, i have already tried to turn off and on at least 30 times . Seems really gone. It is in the freezer from tonight, soon i'll try it whilst it is cool

25 July 2008, 21:23	#6
mtb Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Italy Age: 40 Posts: 466	It was very very cold but it doesn't work as before Suggestions?

25 July 2008, 21:29	#7
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	A couple: buy a new 2.5" HD and install ClassicWB on it. Bloodwych's work is fantastic ans spares you a lot of time. BTW: what ROM version you have on your 600? If 37300, only 40Mb HD would securely work (I have lucky and mine works with a IBM 2Gb unit). If 37350, any HD up to 2Gb works flawlessly. And even some IBM 6.5Gb will be recognised!

25 July 2008, 23:06	#8
mtb Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Italy Age: 40 Posts: 466	I ask suggestions about how to read the content of the broken hd. I'm really curious about that drawer containing songs, and i have no idea about how to recover the content . I have tried everything i know. Thank you for the hints about kickstart version, i remember that problems. And iirc with 37299 hd didn't work at all. Btw, I have tried ClassicWB some time ago ( years... ) and it was beautiful. And i'm sure now will be even better.

26 July 2008, 01:33	#9
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	And it is. If you want a bunch of songs, I will compress my "tiny" mods drawer... The little compressed archive was about 45Mb last time I did this...

26 July 2008, 18:48	#11
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,604	Yes, make an image of the drive in some other computer (or in the Amiga if no drive imagers for pc/linux can't handle ffs, I don't think there's a disk imager for Amiga at least), and then get a $10 2.5" to CF adapter off eBay + a $30 2GB CF card, then throw the harddisk away. I got DriveImage XML from Runtime Software for my PC recently, ask them if they know about ffs. Excellent software from that company

13 August 2008, 20:11	#12
mtb Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Italy Age: 40 Posts: 466	i have just received the 2.5" - 3,5" adapter ( for only 4 € including shipping, but it took 2 weeks ), plugged it on a pc, launched gnu ddrescue, and recovered almost everything Only 350kb or so out of 200Mb are lost due to disk problems. It took about 1 hour to read everything, but it has been worth. Btw, mods were few but i have never heard them. Zone?

13 August 2008, 23:30	#13
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	YES! Please do it! Is always interesting to know some songs. Even if they are old ones.

14 August 2008, 09:00	#14
mtb Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Italy Age: 40 Posts: 466	They are in the zone.

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