WinUAE savestates on real Amiga

Supamax · 12 January 2009, 01:00

Hi to everyone and to Toni

would it be possible in some way (or possible in a near future) to load a WinUAE savestate on a real Amiga (same model and configuration of the emulated one) ?

For example, could I:
- prepare on WinUAE a configuration identical to my real Amiga
- load a protected program
- make a savestate once the protection-check is done
- load the savestate on the real Amiga (how?)
- proceed with the program

?

If not, would it be possible to make a snapshot (with one of the available cartridge roms) and load that snapshot (perhaps "preparing"/modifying it in a proper way) in a *different* Amiga model? I tried with Action Replay, but the saved state requires an identical machine for loading...

If only I would be able to crack programs...

Toni Wilen · 12 January 2009, 08:00

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Originally Posted by Supamax

would it be possible in some way (or possible in a near future) to load a WinUAE savestate on a real Amiga (same model and configuration of the emulated one) ?

Fully compatible? No, it will be possible but can be quite unreliable.

Quote:

If not, would it be possible to make a snapshot (with one of the available cartridge roms) and load that snapshot (perhaps "preparing"/modifying it in a proper way) in a *different* Amiga model? I tried with Action Replay, but the saved state requires an identical machine for loading...

Probably due to different memory configuration. It has to be 100% identical. (same with state files)

Thorham · 12 January 2009, 12:40

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Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Probably due to different memory configuration. It has to be 100% identical. (same with state files)

Aren't the chip mem configurations the same? If so, that should be good enough for games.

Wouldn't it be a good idea to allow the user to setup the memory configuration for the emulated Amiga in a simple way? Or would it be a pain to implement?

Supamax · 12 January 2009, 18:33

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Originally Posted by Thorham

Wouldn't it be a good idea to allow the user to setup the memory configuration for the emulated Amiga in a simple way? Or would it be a pain to implement?

???
Isn't WinUAE's memory configuration simple enough for you?
I found it *perfect* for any use and configuration

Supamax · 12 January 2009, 18:35

Apart from the Action Replay (it's the only one I owned, back in the days), is there a cartridge which works on A600?
Action Replay doesn't...

KONEY · 27 January 2009, 19:23

I manage to succefully load a freezefile done on a stock A500 + AR on an emulated A500 using Aload to load it. No problema at all, but not very useful.

I manage to load the same freezefile on a A600, it loads but after showing the first screen it crashes.

An AR rom file compatible with the A600 could be nice, but a command that load a savestates into ram (like Aload) would be a killer app

Retro1234 · 27 January 2009, 19:33

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Originally Posted by KONEY

I manage to succefully load a freezefile done on a stock A500 + AR on an emulated A500 using Aload to load it. No problema at all, but not very useful.

I manage to load the same freezefile on a A600, it loads but after showing the first screen it crashes.

An AR rom file compatible with the A600 could be nice, but a command that load a savestates into ram (like Aload) would be a killer app

If you turn off the extra ram on your A500 my pressing F3 then create a save state it might work on your A600.

KONEY · 27 January 2009, 20:51

Yes it might work! I try with UAE now!

Supamax · 27 January 2009, 21:08

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Originally Posted by Boo Boo

If you turn off the extra ram on your A500 my pressing F3 then create a save state it might work on your A600.

I don't think it could work.
A500 (not A500+) and A600 have different KS. Plus, the A600 has 1MB chip RAM, while the unexpanded A500 has 512KB chip RAM.

KONEY · 27 January 2009, 21:09

In fact I get an "ERROR - out of fast-memory" message from the cli command. Doesn't even starts loading...

Supamax · 27 January 2009, 21:11

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Originally Posted by KONEY

In fact I get an "ERROR - out of fast-memory" message from the cli command. Doesn't even starts loading...

"out of fast-memory" ? Mmmm....

Retro1234 · 27 January 2009, 21:14

Its probably not worth it -But I could swap AR/SaveState between my A500 and A600 I just remember I had to change something in the F3 Memory options - Even asked my mate at school to try on his A1200 and it worked.

Ive still got the AR but no A500.

Supamax · 27 January 2009, 21:19

But isn't there some software which loads and remains resident, acting as an AR? I read somewhere about it... If it exists, perhaps it works for an A600.

KONEY · 27 January 2009, 21:20

no wait, I tried with 1mb of chip and it loads. Then crashes.

KONEY · 27 January 2009, 21:21

the main problem is that the AR is compatible only with KS 1.3, isn't it?

Supamax · 27 January 2009, 21:24

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Originally Posted by KONEY

the main problem is that the AR is compatible only with KS 1.3, isn't it?

Yes.
Strange that no one marketed a PCMCIA version of the AR

KONEY · 27 January 2009, 22:02

Ok I tried even the most desperate solutions, like freezing an A600 3.1 + AR (it actually freezes and the AR works but doesn't boot) and loading a previously saved freeze file (on a500 1.3) and re-freezed and tried to load but nothing. In the UAE it re-loads and works, on a real amiga...no way

Amiga1992 · 27 January 2009, 23:37

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Originally Posted by Supamax

Yes.
Strange that no one marketed a PCMCIA version of the AR

I am almost sure I've seen such a thing... but it may have been Vapourware.
Can anybody speak more about a possible A600/1200 PCMCIA AR?

I don't think it's possible, not sure if the PCMCIA port has necessary connections to access the machine like an AR cart does (for example, NMI)

Amiga1992 · 28 January 2009, 00:06

I uploaded a software AR to The Zone... dunno what it does or what good is it for... Supamax asked about it and I just took it from TOSEC and put it there...

reports about this tool will be welcome

Supamax · 28 January 2009, 00:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

I uploaded a software AR to The Zone... dunno what it does or what good is it for... Supamax asked about it and I just took it from TOSEC and put it there...

reports about this tool will be welcome

Thanks mate!

I'll try it. It would seem AGA-only but I hope not

12 January 2009, 01:00	#1
Supamax Da Digger :) Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Monza, Italy Posts: 2,822	WinUAE savestates on real Amiga Hi to everyone and to Toni would it be possible in some way (or possible in a near future) to load a WinUAE savestate on a real Amiga (same model and configuration of the emulated one) ? For example, could I: - prepare on WinUAE a configuration identical to my real Amiga - load a protected program - make a savestate once the protection-check is done - load the savestate on the real Amiga (how?) - proceed with the program ? If not, would it be possible to make a snapshot (with one of the available cartridge roms) and load that snapshot (perhaps "preparing"/modifying it in a proper way) in a different Amiga model? I tried with Action Replay, but the saved state requires an identical machine for loading... If only I would be able to crack programs... Last edited by Supamax; 12 January 2009 at 01:08.

27 January 2009, 21:14	#12
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,775	Its probably not worth it -But I could swap AR/SaveState between my A500 and A600 I just remember I had to change something in the F3 Memory options - Even asked my mate at school to try on his A1200 and it worked. Ive still got the AR but no A500. Last edited by Retro1234; 27 January 2009 at 21:34.

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12 January 2009, 18:35	#5
Supamax Da Digger :) Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Monza, Italy Posts: 2,822	Apart from the Action Replay (it's the only one I owned, back in the days), is there a cartridge which works on A600? Action Replay doesn't...

27 January 2009, 19:23	#6
KONEY OctaMED Music Composer Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Venice - Italy Age: 49 Posts: 667	I manage to succefully load a freezefile done on a stock A500 + AR on an emulated A500 using Aload to load it. No problema at all, but not very useful. I manage to load the same freezefile on a A600, it loads but after showing the first screen it crashes. An AR rom file compatible with the A600 could be nice, but a command that load a savestates into ram (like Aload) would be a killer app

27 January 2009, 20:51	#8
KONEY OctaMED Music Composer Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Venice - Italy Age: 49 Posts: 667	Yes it might work! I try with UAE now!

27 January 2009, 21:09	#10
KONEY OctaMED Music Composer Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Venice - Italy Age: 49 Posts: 667	In fact I get an "ERROR - out of fast-memory" message from the cli command. Doesn't even starts loading...

27 January 2009, 21:19	#13
Supamax Da Digger :) Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Monza, Italy Posts: 2,822	But isn't there some software which loads and remains resident, acting as an AR? I read somewhere about it... If it exists, perhaps it works for an A600.

27 January 2009, 21:20	#14
KONEY OctaMED Music Composer Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Venice - Italy Age: 49 Posts: 667	no wait, I tried with 1mb of chip and it loads. Then crashes.

27 January 2009, 21:21	#15
KONEY OctaMED Music Composer Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Venice - Italy Age: 49 Posts: 667	the main problem is that the AR is compatible only with KS 1.3, isn't it?

27 January 2009, 22:02	#17
KONEY OctaMED Music Composer Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Venice - Italy Age: 49 Posts: 667	Ok I tried even the most desperate solutions, like freezing an A600 3.1 + AR (it actually freezes and the AR works but doesn't boot) and loading a previously saved freeze file (on a500 1.3) and re-freezed and tried to load but nothing. In the UAE it re-loads and works, on a real amiga...no way

28 January 2009, 00:06	#19
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	I uploaded a software AR to The Zone... dunno what it does or what good is it for... Supamax asked about it and I just took it from TOSEC and put it there... reports about this tool will be welcome

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