Europe Underground Scene Vs US Underground Scene

redblade · 11 April 2010, 04:19

Which was better?

Were there more crackers in the US for the Atari or for the Amiga?
What about the 8bit scene.

It seemed from the cracktros that a lot of the crackers were from the Europe but there were always a lot of bbs's advertised in the US.

Just seems odd to have the crackers in Europe and the BBS's in US.

Thanks in advance

blade002 · 11 April 2010, 05:40

The Amiga was not big in America only Europe, England and to a certain extent here in Australia so you would have not seen a large element of cracking going on for the Amiga in the US. Similarly the Atari ST and C64 were also quite large across Europe but i cannot comment on the popularity of the ST in the States, although i know the C64 was pretty much HUGE everywhere!

Not sure about the BBS advertisement issue on crack screens because to be honest i never really noticed that many that were from the US but maybe that's just my lack of observation

antonvaltaz · 11 April 2010, 06:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by blade002

The Amiga was not big in America only Europe, England and to a certain extent here in Australia

England is in Europe, last time I checked ;-)

redblade · 12 April 2010, 14:49

I know most of the cracks I got were from Europe, I don't think I got any games cracked by Americans, but perhaps the early Quartex Games?

What about C=64? Most of the crackers were in Europe as well? I know that there was a strong hack/phreak scene in US that used C=64 you can tell by the dialers that they released even early MS DOS utils.

viddi · 12 April 2010, 15:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by antonvaltaz

England is in Europe, last time I checked ;-)

Yeah, heard of it, too. As far as I know it´s a beautiful island.

DDNI · 12 April 2010, 15:29

You think England is an Island.... You ought to check out the British Isles! Look at all them lovely little Islands to visit and not one of them England.

coze · 12 April 2010, 15:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by antonvaltaz

England is in Europe, last time I checked ;-)

hmm,
England you say ? sounds familiar ... was it in the antilles ?

viddi · 12 April 2010, 15:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by DDNI

You think England is an Island.... You ought to check out the British Isles! Look at all them lovely little Islands to visit and not one of them England.

Nitpicker.

redblade · 15 April 2010, 09:46

was just wondering if there were any US Amiga crackers? Perhaps QuarTeX members?

birdy-scc · 17 April 2010, 02:55

From what I remember on the Atari ST, there weren't any well-known crackers from the US. The Americans tended to be running the BBS and trading.

redblade · 17 April 2010, 13:09

@birdy-scc: That's what I kinda figured, it seems that the Americans had all the $$$ and hardware, and Europeans had all the software skills.

waal · 17 April 2010, 22:15

There were famous american crackers on amiga too, The Surge of Paradox/Quartex was one of them.

redblade · 18 April 2010, 01:28

was he the one who did the early Quartex releases like Hybris?

blade002 · 18 April 2010, 01:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by antonvaltaz

England is in Europe, last time I checked ;-)

I have heard many Brits say they don't consider themselves as part of Europe so i was trying not to rock the boat

The following is what i found and guess it explains in more detail what they were getting at, so don't stress little one, i am not that geographically uneducated.

Geographically: it is part of the European plate
Politically: it is part of the European Union
In general: it is considered part of Europe as a whole

The Brits themselves says that the UK is part of Europe but not part of Continental Europe.

waal · 18 April 2010, 02:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by redblade

was he the one who did the early Quartex releases like Hybris?

mmmhhh Hybris was released in 1988 so it might been cracked by german cracker Rob.

antonvaltaz · 18 April 2010, 06:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by blade002

I have heard many Brits say they don't consider themselves as part of Europe so i was trying not to rock the boat

The Brits themselves says that the UK is part of Europe but not part of Continental Europe.

Well, I don't want to get political or drag this thread too OT, but there are also a lot of Brits who wouldn't agree with the above.

Galahad/FLT · 18 April 2010, 07:59

The reasons for the US having the BBS's and Europe the main cracking scene is simple.

Amiga was popular in Europe, it wasn't in America.

Americans could buy modems and hard drives cheaper than we could.

And the coup de grace was that bluboxing (phone phreaking) meant you could call the US for free, hence the plethora of US based BBS's.

As already mentioned, The Surge/Quartex was American, I can't think of any others.

demoniac · 18 April 2010, 08:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

As already mentioned, The Surge/Quartex was American, I can't think of any others.

Wasn't Blackhawk from the US as well? I remember a few others, but they weren't as well known.

StingRay · 18 April 2010, 11:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by demoniac

Wasn't Blackhawk from the US as well?

Blackhawk wasn't from the US, he is from Denmark.

athiga · 18 April 2010, 12:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

The reasons for the US having the BBS's and Europe the main cracking scene is simple.

Amiga was popular in Europe, it wasn't in America.

Americans could buy modems and hard drives cheaper than we could.

And the coup de grace was that bluboxing (phone phreaking) meant you could call the US for free, hence the plethora of US based BBS's.

As already mentioned, The Surge/Quartex was American, I can't think of any others.

yes simple bbs americans crackers uk and demo coders sweden
northern europe denmark finland ect

ive always thought the
coders from northern hemosphere have long nights snowed in for coding longer

and perfecting code

11 April 2010, 04:19	#1
redblade Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Middle Earth Age: 40 Posts: 2,127	Europe Underground Scene Vs US Underground Scene Which was better? Were there more crackers in the US for the Atari or for the Amiga? What about the 8bit scene. It seemed from the cracktros that a lot of the crackers were from the Europe but there were always a lot of bbs's advertised in the US. Just seems odd to have the crackers in Europe and the BBS's in US. Thanks in advance

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11 April 2010, 05:40	#2
blade002 Zone Friend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Australia Age: 50 Posts: 2,616	The Amiga was not big in America only Europe, England and to a certain extent here in Australia so you would have not seen a large element of cracking going on for the Amiga in the US. Similarly the Atari ST and C64 were also quite large across Europe but i cannot comment on the popularity of the ST in the States, although i know the C64 was pretty much HUGE everywhere! Not sure about the BBS advertisement issue on crack screens because to be honest i never really noticed that many that were from the US but maybe that's just my lack of observation

12 April 2010, 14:49	#4
redblade Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Middle Earth Age: 40 Posts: 2,127	I know most of the cracks I got were from Europe, I don't think I got any games cracked by Americans, but perhaps the early Quartex Games? What about C=64? Most of the crackers were in Europe as well? I know that there was a strong hack/phreak scene in US that used C=64 you can tell by the dialers that they released even early MS DOS utils.

12 April 2010, 15:29	#6
DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 5,431	You think England is an Island.... You ought to check out the British Isles! Look at all them lovely little Islands to visit and not one of them England.

15 April 2010, 09:46	#9
redblade Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Middle Earth Age: 40 Posts: 2,127	was just wondering if there were any US Amiga crackers? Perhaps QuarTeX members?

17 April 2010, 02:55	#10
birdy-scc Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Glasgow Posts: 231	From what I remember on the Atari ST, there weren't any well-known crackers from the US. The Americans tended to be running the BBS and trading.

17 April 2010, 13:09	#11
redblade Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Middle Earth Age: 40 Posts: 2,127	@birdy-scc: That's what I kinda figured, it seems that the Americans had all the $$$ and hardware, and Europeans had all the software skills.

17 April 2010, 22:15	#12
waal Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Paris / France Age: 48 Posts: 137	There were famous american crackers on amiga too, The Surge of Paradox/Quartex was one of them.

18 April 2010, 01:28	#13
redblade Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Middle Earth Age: 40 Posts: 2,127	was he the one who did the early Quartex releases like Hybris?

18 April 2010, 07:59	#17
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 8,986	The reasons for the US having the BBS's and Europe the main cracking scene is simple. Amiga was popular in Europe, it wasn't in America. Americans could buy modems and hard drives cheaper than we could. And the coup de grace was that bluboxing (phone phreaking) meant you could call the US for free, hence the plethora of US based BBS's. As already mentioned, The Surge/Quartex was American, I can't think of any others.

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