Ghost and goblins speed lockup issues?

21 July 2002, 05:24

Ghosts and goblins pauses occassionally for a second or so, is this a cpu speed issue or a prob with winuae?

Amiga1992 · 21 July 2002, 05:29

Updated the thread name so it makes sense....

This is no emulator problem. I tried the WHDLoad version on my A1200+030@50, and it kind of freezes for a second every now and then. VERY anoying. Do any of you know why this happens?(Codetapper? Galahad?

)

21 July 2002, 05:41

wonder where it got to
had to make myself a new account
old one got appropriated by someone else who decided to change my email to an account I no longer have access to..
fun huh doesnt seem to be anyway or contacting anybody about this sort of thing without making another account.. will do that just to get back heh...

7-Zark-7 · 21 July 2002, 13:15

Haven't played this one personally, but I recall the Zzap review of Amiga Ghost'n Goblins.
I think it scored in the mid 60's to 70's with the biggest criticism's being a ropey scroll. The review warned Level 2 was diabolical with poor diagonal scrolling.
Might be a good advert for tracking it down on MAME instead. One of my favourite mame titles-not that it helps with this thread!

Amiga1992 · 21 July 2002, 20:05

Teh scroll is fine, but even when you dont scroll the game freezes.. teh music, the animations, everything. I dunno what's up, I should try it out on my A600 and see if it has something to do with faster processors and a BADLY patched game.

Codetapper · 22 July 2002, 04:20

Quote:

Originally posted by Akira
Updated the thread name so it makes sense....

This is no emulator problem. I tried the WHDLoad version on my A1200+030@50, and it kind of freezes for a second every now and then. VERY anoying. Do any of you know why this happens?(Codetapper? Galahad? )

Amazing how many people have played the WHDLoad version when I've never really released it! Only a couple of beta testers ever got it yet most people seem to have it it seems!

Anyway... that bloody pause bug has caused me hours of grief. In various places in the code are stupid empty DBF loops and I originally tried altering these but still the pauses remained.

I found a similar problem in the game Plutos and eventually tracked it down. It tested some value and if it was greater than a number (12 from memory) it didn't do the pause at all. Hence you would find the scrolling would go really erratically. It was probably done to make the game scroll smoothely on an A500 but with faster CPU's it didn't work at all.

I will make a note to recheck Ghosts'n'Goblins and see if I can find when the delays occur but it's a tough ask. The delays make the later levels almost impossible as you have to time jumping on platforms to perfection and when the game suddenly stops for a second it makes it more of a reaction based game - wait until the game starts working again then madly tapping up on the joystick!

Also I remember Galahad saying that to remove those pauses would be a big job aswell, so it probably is a major!

Amiga1992 · 22 July 2002, 05:10

Quote:

Originally posted by Codetapper
Amazing how many people have played the WHDLoad version when I've never really released it! Only a couple of beta testers ever got it yet most people seem to have it it seems!

GHmm.. I dont think it said it was done by you, I know all your releases say "Codetapper/Action!" but this one didnt say squat...

If it is of any help, I can tell you where I downloaded it from. Spreading private versions is baaad

22 July 2002, 20:07

I've tried the cracked disk version of Ghosts'n'Goblins on my A1200 with the Blizzard IV disabled and TUDE degrader (tude kickstart1.3 degrade chipmem=512k memchip) and works without problems (the third level is insane

)

Amiga1992 · 22 July 2002, 22:15

Quote:

Originally posted by Uukrul
I've tried the cracked disk version of Ghosts'n'Goblins on my A1200 with the Blizzard IV disabled

That's what made it. The accelerated processors cause the problem.

whiteb · 28 July 2002, 08:15

Quote:

Originally posted by Akira

That's what made it. The accelerated processors cause the problem.

So any acceleration would have to be disabled, and it runs okay ?

Hmmmmm

tomcat666 · 28 July 2002, 08:51

Hmm, how do I DISABLE the Blizzard 030 50Mhz Mark III (I think it is not MkIV!) card in my A1200 ? I dont have the manual since I bought it second hand (altough it was brand new - it didn't work in that guys amiga, but works like a charm in mine).

28 July 2002, 13:47

Press key '2' (not the keypad) while the A1200 is booting.

tomcat666 · 28 July 2002, 19:34

Sweet, will try that on friday ! Thanx !

btw. any1 has the manual for the MkIII ?

andreas · 29 July 2002, 20:52

look in the zone ... someone was quicker than me, though

30 July 2002, 00:24

In the zone is the ActionReplay III manual, not the Blizzard III manual

andreas · 30 July 2002, 01:08

Well, if we guys hear "MKIII" we always think it's about Action Replay, of course

Well, that's really funny.

tomcat666 · 30 July 2002, 04:57

Oh well... thanx anyway

noone here has the Blizzard 030/50 MkIII ?

04 August 2002, 21:54

Quote:

Originally posted by Codetapper
I will make a note to recheck Ghosts'n'Goblins and see if I can find when the delays occur but it's a tough ask. The delays make the later levels almost impossible as you have to time jumping on platforms to perfection and when the game suddenly stops for a second it makes it more of a reaction based game - wait until the game starts working again then madly tapping up on the joystick!

Also I remember Galahad saying that to remove those pauses would be a big job aswell, so it probably is a major!

Anyone know why GNG works fine with no delays in WinFellow? The pauses occur even when you use a standard A500 configuration in WinUAE. If the slowdowns are accelerated CPU-related shouldn't the problem be resolved by using a 68000 set-up?

There's actually a patched ADF version on TOSEC that supports newer Amigas (A1200, A4000 etc) - unfortunately it doesn't get past the intro. In fact, the only ADF version I can get to work in either emulator is:

Ghosts 'N Goblins (1988)(Elite Systems)[cr Defjam][t +4 Defjam].

Like I said, this one works fine in WinFellow. I've always considered it to be a very good conversion - although I admit I never got very far.

Codetapper · 05 August 2002, 04:00

In case you guys don't know, the Defjam crack is actually spliced together from a beta version.

17 August 2002, 23:25

I've found a copy that works without speed lockup issues (I've tried it with a 68040 WinUAE config) but there is a BIG problem: You only have one live!

Ghosts 'N Goblins (1988)(Elite Systems)[cr][f AGA Fix Ltd] in the zone

21 July 2002, 05:24	#1
Unregistered Posts: n/a	also Ghosts and goblins pauses occassionally for a second or so, is this a cpu speed issue or a prob with winuae?

21 July 2002, 05:41	#3
Ryan Posts: n/a	sweet wonder where it got to had to make myself a new account old one got appropriated by someone else who decided to change my email to an account I no longer have access to.. fun huh doesnt seem to be anyway or contacting anybody about this sort of thing without making another account.. will do that just to get back heh...

30 July 2002, 01:08	#16
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	Well, if we guys hear "MKIII" we always think it's about Action Replay, of course Well, that's really funny. Last edited by andreas; 30 July 2002 at 22:51.

05 August 2002, 04:00	#19
Codetapper 2 contact me: email only! Join Date: May 2001 Location: Auckland / New Zealand Posts: 3,182	Defjam crack is a BETA In case you guys don't know, the Defjam crack is actually spliced together from a beta version.

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21 July 2002, 05:29	#2
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,644	Updated the thread name so it makes sense.... This is no emulator problem. I tried the WHDLoad version on my A1200+030@50, and it kind of freezes for a second every now and then. VERY anoying. Do any of you know why this happens?(Codetapper? Galahad? )

21 July 2002, 13:15	#4
7-Zark-7 Zone Friend Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Brisbane/Australia Posts: 1,270	Haven't played this one personally, but I recall the Zzap review of Amiga Ghost'n Goblins. I think it scored in the mid 60's to 70's with the biggest criticism's being a ropey scroll. The review warned Level 2 was diabolical with poor diagonal scrolling. Might be a good advert for tracking it down on MAME instead. One of my favourite mame titles-not that it helps with this thread!

21 July 2002, 20:05	#5
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,644	Teh scroll is fine, but even when you dont scroll the game freezes.. teh music, the animations, everything. I dunno what's up, I should try it out on my A600 and see if it has something to do with faster processors and a BADLY patched game.

22 July 2002, 20:07	#8
Uukrul Posts: n/a	I've tried the cracked disk version of Ghosts'n'Goblins on my A1200 with the Blizzard IV disabled and TUDE degrader (tude kickstart1.3 degrade chipmem=512k memchip) and works without problems (the third level is insane )

28 July 2002, 08:51	#11
tomcat666 Retro Freak Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Slovenia Age: 51 Posts: 1,646	Hmm, how do I DISABLE the Blizzard 030 50Mhz Mark III (I think it is not MkIV!) card in my A1200 ? I dont have the manual since I bought it second hand (altough it was brand new - it didn't work in that guys amiga, but works like a charm in mine).

28 July 2002, 13:47	#12
Uukrul Posts: n/a	Press key '2' (not the keypad) while the A1200 is booting.

28 July 2002, 19:34	#13
tomcat666 Retro Freak Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Slovenia Age: 51 Posts: 1,646	Sweet, will try that on friday ! Thanx ! btw. any1 has the manual for the MkIII ?

29 July 2002, 20:52	#14
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	look in the zone ... someone was quicker than me, though

30 July 2002, 00:24	#15
Uukrul Posts: n/a	In the zone is the ActionReplay III manual, not the Blizzard III manual

30 July 2002, 04:57	#17
tomcat666 Retro Freak Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Slovenia Age: 51 Posts: 1,646	Oh well... thanx anyway noone here has the Blizzard 030/50 MkIII ?

17 August 2002, 23:25	#20
Uukrul Posts: n/a	I've found a copy that works without speed lockup issues (I've tried it with a 68040 WinUAE config) but there is a BIG problem: You only have one live! Ghosts 'N Goblins (1988)(Elite Systems)[cr][f AGA Fix Ltd] in the zone

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