5 more beginner questions ( A 3000)

amiganer · 03 July 2007, 23:57

1.) I have installed Amiga o.s. 3.1 can i update to os 3.9 now? whdload is still running then?

2.) I have connected a Scsi CD-Rom,

a) but there isn"t place inside my A3000 so i could use the external Scsi Connecter?
Do i have to terminate the scsi-bus to work correctly?

b) instead of a Scsi-Cd-Rom i could use a Scsi-DVD-Rom? Which is working good with Amiga?

3.) My Power & HD Drive LED is broken :-/ Any Ideas how i can fix this?

4.) How can i check my Amiga got 16 or 25 mhz? Sure there is something on Aminet.

5.) Which large TFT will work with my Amiga?

Please excuse my terrible english

alexh · 04 July 2007, 01:12

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Originally Posted by amiganer

1.) I have installed Amiga o.s. 3.1 can i update to os 3.9 now? whdload is still running then?

Hmmm. I dont think you can use OS3.9 with KS1.4 which is what you have. Maybe you can?? You would still have to call the hard drive partition WB2.X (or whatever).

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could use the external Scsi Connecter?

Yes.

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Do i have to terminate the scsi-bus to work correctly?

Yes.

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instead of a Scsi-Cd-Rom i could use a Scsi-DVD-Rom? Which is working good with Amiga?

Yes. You will of course need an ISO9660 CD filesystem driver. Cache CDFS is built into OS3.9 however for OS3.1 you'll need a 3rd party one such as Asimware CDFS.

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4.) How can i check my Amiga got 16 or 25 mhz? Sure there is something on Aminet.

http://aminet.net/package/util/moni/WhichAmiga or Scout.

I dont think that "showconfig" shows CPU speed?

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5.) Which large TFT will work with my Amiga?

Any that can do 50Hz vertical refresh. A3000 has 31KHz video out through built in AMBER deinterlacer.

musashi5150 · 04 July 2007, 09:20

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Originally Posted by amiganer

3.) My Power & HD Drive LED is broken :-/ Any Ideas how i can fix this?

Please excuse my terrible english

You could maybe buy this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Amiga-3000-LED...QQcmdZViewItem (I'm sure he would ship to Germany if you can pay with PayPal)

Oh and you're English is fine - we can understand you perfectly

lopos2000 · 04 July 2007, 09:39

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Originally Posted by amiganer

3.) My Power & HD Drive LED is broken :-/ Any Ideas how i can fix this?

You can fix it yourself. Maybe you have some dry soldering points or a loose cable which you have to solder back on.

Jope · 04 July 2007, 09:44

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Originally Posted by amiganer

1.) I have installed Amiga o.s. 3.1 can i update to os 3.9 now? whdload is still running then?

As far as I can remember, 3.9 does not work with superkickstart. You'd need to buy / burn 3.1 roms.

Of course you're free to try it, please report on your findings.

WHDLoad works with 3.9.

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Originally Posted by lopos2000

You can fix it yourself. Maybe you have some dry soldering points or a loose cable which you have to solder back on.

The A3000 LED board usually cracks because the top case is inserted carelessly. It can be repaired by soldering.

amiganer · 20 July 2007, 10:32

Thanks for your help.

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3.) My Power & HD Drive LED is broken :-/ Any Ideas how i can fix this?

My Power LED is fixed and blinking, a friend repaired it by soldering.

It is completely broken now, but working fine. I"ll make some photos later.

Ebay Auctions ends with 25€. That"s crazy.

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4.) How can i check my Amiga got 16 or 25 mhz? Sure there is something on Aminet.

Thanks @alex, Which Amiga is working great!

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1.) I have installed Amiga o.s. 3.1 can i update to os 3.9 now?

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Hmmm. I dont think you can use OS3.9 with KS1.4 which is what you have. Maybe you can?? You would still have to call the hard drive partition WB2.X (or whatever).

Truely seems to be a problem :-(

The hard drive partition is named "System 2.0" but it is to small to install OS 3.9

So i have tried to install OS 3.9 at my working partition, but it does not boot from. :-(

In boot menü (double Mouse at bootup) there are two partitions:

System 2.0 (which is to small to install Os3.9)
Work (which is not bootable)

I haven"t installed any Amiga OS before. Folder "System2.0" is specific for Amiga 3000?

Is there any way to make a larger System2.0 Partition?

amiganer · 21 July 2007, 14:50

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Hmmm. I dont think you can use OS3.9 with KS1.4 which is what you have. Maybe you can?? You would still have to call the hard drive partition WB2.X (or whatever).

I made it! OS 3.9 is running with my KS 1.4

I"m a little proud to find out something Alex didn"t know for sure :-)

With HDInsttool i managed to make my parition "work" bootable.

My Hard Drive partition is now:

WB_2.x 6 MB
WB_1.3 3 MB
WORK 4000+MB

but i have to boot OS 3.1 once at power on and reselect parition "Work" as boot device everytime i reboot my amiga?

Estimate my Kickstart 1.4 forget his boot options while rebooting?

OS 3.9 is grey in grey but this will be another topic.

Scsi CD-Rom doesn"t run neither :-( perhaps because i have installed OS 3.9 with IDE-Fix driven Cd-Rom?

Please help my CD-Rom running with OS 3.9 :-)

Jope · 23 July 2007, 13:00

Give the Work partition a larger boot priority than WB_2.x. The 1.4 ROM should only look for the kickstart in the WB_2.x or WB_1.3 partitions.

amiganer · 23 July 2007, 23:27

With IDE-Fix on OS 3.9 i make my CD Rom running.

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Give the Work partition a larger boot priority than WB_2.x.

I do so, but it will boot OS 3.1 on WB_2.x. first again after turning Amiga off and on.

Then, after resetting and double Mouse Klick on bootup i could change Options to boot "Work" first.

If i reset OS 3.9 again and do Double Mouse click on bootup i"ll back to the Bootstrap Setup!!

It seems like OS 3.9 is overwriting softkicked KS 3.1

Turning off and on will be the same game:

Booting OS 3.1 first, reset and change boot priority to "Work" to load OS 3.9, reset again and OS 3.1 ist booting

Boot options are also included KS? cannot believe.

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As far as I can remember, 3.9 does not work with superkickstart. You'd need to buy / burn 3.1 roms.

It really works! But not perfect ;-) 8 MB Fastram is minimum also :-(

Jope · 24 July 2007, 06:47

I had a hunch this might happen.. :-(

Another option you might want to explore is to just have a 2.04 superkick rom and then softkick 3.1 on top of that. Might be more reset-resistant.

alexh · 24 July 2007, 13:38

Why didnt you make the WB_2.x partition bigger and install OS3.9 there?

The limitations imposed by KS1.4 are:

WB_2.x must have the FFS filesystem
WB_2.x must be less than 4 Gig (Might be 2 Gig?)
WB_2.x must have the superkickstart file in the right place in DEVS:

You do not need to have OS3.1 on the WB_2.x partition, you could have anything.

If you do this... everything will work fine.

alexh · 24 July 2007, 13:48

Although no-one has ever tried it, it would be good if you could get Doobrey (from http://www.Amiga.org) to make his tools (Romsplit and Remus) support superkickstart files.

Then you could make a Superkickstart 3.9

http://www.doobreynet.co.uk/beta/

Jope · 24 July 2007, 15:12

The 3.9 superkickstart is potentially easy to make. The first part of the superkick is the actual kickstart and then the A3000 bonus is tacked on the end.

Make a 512k kickstart with Doobrey's tools, tack on the bonus and then see whether the machine boots your new kickstart.. :-)

If only I could be arsed to burn a set of 1.4 roms for my A3000, I'd try it myself, but alas..

alexh · 24 July 2007, 19:04

@Amiganer
If Jope is right it's definitely worth a try. It would decrease your boot time quite a lot.

Not sure if RomSplit supports the A3000 3.1 KickStart modules though. It's slightly different to a regular 40.68 ROM (different scsi.device etc.)

@Jope
Does KS1.4 not work with WinUAE?

Jope · 24 July 2007, 19:58

It does actually, but the MMU part is still nonexistant. Toni got 1.4 booting by just emulating some 030 or MMU opcodes as nops.

I have made a 3.9 ROM for the 3k with romsplit + remus, so it does in fact support it.

I wonder if I have that 3.9 ROM image on a machine that's currently plugged in..

amiganer · 24 July 2007, 21:08

I"m a little afraid to make a larger WB_2.x partition because HDInsttool tells to delete partition so i would have no superkick anymore

also it seems i have to resize or delete WB_1.3 before because this is second partition

just an idea :

could i put OS 3.1 at WB_1.3

and OS 3.9 at WB_2.x ?

so i could change to a faster system if 8 MB is to less for some applications?

Jope · 31 July 2007, 08:05

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Originally Posted by Jope

The 3.9 superkickstart is potentially easy to make. The first part of the superkick is the actual kickstart and then the A3000 bonus is tacked on the end.

Make a 512k kickstart with Doobrey's tools, tack on the bonus and then see whether the machine boots your new kickstart.. :-)

If only I could be arsed to burn a set of 1.4 roms for my A3000, I'd try it myself, but alas..

This is now confirmed. Just make a new kick image and add the bonus from the end of your original superkickstart. (starts with and including $0000 $FEED $C0ED $BABE)

BTW, it seems that most 3.1 superkicks that are floating around are not the final release version. The bonus probably didn't change (at least it's the same on all betas I've encountered).

It might be a good idea to make a 3.1 superkick out of the last ROM image if you want to use a 3.1 superkick.

amiganer · 09 August 2007, 00:10

doing alot of testing these days (full time job ;-)

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Why didnt you make the WB_2.x partition bigger and install OS3.9 there?

The limitations imposed by KS1.4 are:

WB_2.x must have the FFS filesystem
WB_2.x must be less than 4 Gig (Might be 2 Gig?)
WB_2.x must have the superkickstart file in the right place in DEVS:

Everytime i try to make WB_2.x larger it will not softkick any longer

Error Message: Not a DOS Disk in Device WB_2.x

even if i use HDInst to partition Hard Drive before install it will not work.

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(Might be 2 Gig?)

to be honest i always used 3,x GB ...

i have to try...

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must have the FFS filesystem

where"s some information about amiga filesystems?

edit: omg, lost nearly complete this evening because i haven"t read ... 3,x GB is too large for WB_2.x

Less then 1GB is working fine. 2GB should be limit?

My partition was lost after downsizing? (from 3 to 1GB)

OS 1.3 is getting an "error validating disk key 4082202 checksum error" ? with my partition work?

OS 2 is running fine now with a larger WB2.x :-)

Jope · 09 August 2007, 09:35

Don't go over 2GB with WB_2.x ..

But when resizing, did you "copy #? destination: all clone" everything off the drive, format quick and copy everything back? You make it sound like you just resized the partition without formatting it and copying stuff back.

Always use format quick with hard disks.

amiganer · 15 August 2007, 02:28

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"copy #? destination: all clone"

good to know this command

still some problems with superkickstart 3.9 : It is running fine with OS 3.1,

but while running OS 3.9 i still get this workbench.library error and system is not running proper

same HD is running OS 3.9 fine with softkicked 3.1

Your workbench.library is also much smaller then this from OS 3.9

edit: it is working now... no idea what was wrong. only changing Kickstart file with OS 3.9.

03 July 2007, 23:57	#1
amiganer Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: germany Posts: 56	5 more beginner questions ( A 3000) 1.) I have installed Amiga o.s. 3.1 can i update to os 3.9 now? whdload is still running then? 2.) I have connected a Scsi CD-Rom, a) but there isn"t place inside my A3000 so i could use the external Scsi Connecter? Do i have to terminate the scsi-bus to work correctly? b) instead of a Scsi-Cd-Rom i could use a Scsi-DVD-Rom? Which is working good with Amiga? 3.) My Power & HD Drive LED is broken :-/ Any Ideas how i can fix this? 4.) How can i check my Amiga got 16 or 25 mhz? Sure there is something on Aminet. 5.) Which large TFT will work with my Amiga? Please excuse my terrible english

24 July 2007, 13:38	#11
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,448	Why didnt you make the WB_2.x partition bigger and install OS3.9 there? The limitations imposed by KS1.4 are: WB_2.x must have the FFS filesystem WB_2.x must be less than 4 Gig (Might be 2 Gig?) WB_2.x must have the superkickstart file in the right place in DEVS: You do not need to have OS3.1 on the WB_2.x partition, you could have anything. If you do this... everything will work fine. Last edited by alexh; 24 July 2007 at 13:45.

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23 July 2007, 13:00	#8
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,900	Give the Work partition a larger boot priority than WB_2.x. The 1.4 ROM should only look for the kickstart in the WB_2.x or WB_1.3 partitions.

24 July 2007, 06:47	#10
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,900	I had a hunch this might happen.. :-( Another option you might want to explore is to just have a 2.04 superkick rom and then softkick 3.1 on top of that. Might be more reset-resistant.

24 July 2007, 13:48	#12
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,448	Although no-one has ever tried it, it would be good if you could get Doobrey (from http://www.Amiga.org) to make his tools (Romsplit and Remus) support superkickstart files. Then you could make a Superkickstart 3.9 http://www.doobreynet.co.uk/beta/

24 July 2007, 15:12	#13
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,900	The 3.9 superkickstart is potentially easy to make. The first part of the superkick is the actual kickstart and then the A3000 bonus is tacked on the end. Make a 512k kickstart with Doobrey's tools, tack on the bonus and then see whether the machine boots your new kickstart.. :-) If only I could be arsed to burn a set of 1.4 roms for my A3000, I'd try it myself, but alas..

24 July 2007, 19:04	#14
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,448	@Amiganer If Jope is right it's definitely worth a try. It would decrease your boot time quite a lot. Not sure if RomSplit supports the A3000 3.1 KickStart modules though. It's slightly different to a regular 40.68 ROM (different scsi.device etc.) @Jope Does KS1.4 not work with WinUAE?

24 July 2007, 19:58	#15
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,900	It does actually, but the MMU part is still nonexistant. Toni got 1.4 booting by just emulating some 030 or MMU opcodes as nops. I have made a 3.9 ROM for the 3k with romsplit + remus, so it does in fact support it. I wonder if I have that 3.9 ROM image on a machine that's currently plugged in..

24 July 2007, 21:08	#16
amiganer Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: germany Posts: 56	I"m a little afraid to make a larger WB_2.x partition because HDInsttool tells to delete partition so i would have no superkick anymore also it seems i have to resize or delete WB_1.3 before because this is second partition just an idea : could i put OS 3.1 at WB_1.3 and OS 3.9 at WB_2.x ? so i could change to a faster system if 8 MB is to less for some applications?

09 August 2007, 09:35	#19
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,900	Don't go over 2GB with WB_2.x .. But when resizing, did you "copy #? destination: all clone" everything off the drive, format quick and copy everything back? You make it sound like you just resized the partition without formatting it and copying stuff back. Always use format quick with hard disks.

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