KGWHD - confusion

nixxjsteve · 16 January 2011, 17:41

Hi there do the game packs on http://kg.whdownload.com/kgwhd/ actually have the games? from looking at one of the packs and inside the files it would seem so... There is no info to state either way.

TCD · 16 January 2011, 17:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by nixxjsteve

Hi there do the game packs on http://kg.whdownload.com/kgwhd/ actually have the games?

Yes.

nixxjsteve · 16 January 2011, 17:44

Oh ok thanks alot im guessing the same for http://www.whdownload.com/ itself then? thanks alot.

TCD · 16 January 2011, 17:45

Yes, that's what 'preinstalled' means.

nixxjsteve · 16 January 2011, 17:53

I am aware what it means, I just thought it would be deemed illegal. Guess not.

TCD · 16 January 2011, 17:57

They are the full, preinstalled games that you can play.

jotd · 16 January 2011, 18:12

It is mostly illegal, but noone cares (well I don't).

Since it does not make the Amiga ROMS available, noone seems to bother.

KevG · 16 January 2011, 20:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotd

It is mostly illegal, but noone cares (well I don't).

Since it does not make the Amiga ROMS available, noone seems to bother.

I have found this to be a very strange philosophy over the years. No one seems to mind copying the games which is in fact copyrighted material, but when someone downloads an image of say kickstart1.3 for WinUAE every man and his dog seems to jump up with anger calling them a pirate.

Strange, very strange....

Kev G.

TCD · 16 January 2011, 20:28

Actually it's dead easy if you read the rules here : http://eab.abime.net/faq.php?faq=eab..._ks_wb_faqitem
Everything not covered by that rule is considered 'okay' to share (but it's still not legal).

Bloodwych · 16 January 2011, 20:34

Not that strange KevG - the Workbench ROMS are still sold today, and spreading them gets sites into trouble and reported.

Ancient games people turn a blind eye to, unless a thread like this pops up. It would be a pretty misrible place if eveyone enforced letter of the law at every opportunity.

TCD · 16 January 2011, 20:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloodwych

Not that strange KevG - the Workbench ROMS are still sold today, and spreading them gets sites into trouble and reported.

Ancient games people turn a blind eye to, unless a thread like this pops up.

KevG · 16 January 2011, 20:42

Hi CyberDruid.

Yes, I read the quote. "It is illegal to distribute kickstart ROMs or Workbench disks (even if modified) as they are still copyrighted."

However, these rules are EAB rules. If EAB where to follow the letter of the law then the term "As they are still copyrighted material" would apply to commercial games as well. The only exceptions I could think of are games which were published by companies that no longer exist as they would be unable to persue copyright infringement cases.

I know that no one really gives a shit these days, but technically, I think that am right here.

Kev G

[sorry to go off topic]

TCD · 16 January 2011, 20:46

Quote:

Please do not request for software which is still currently supported/still for sale.

That's the other interesting bit. As I've said it's not legal to download any software you don't own, so case closed here.

Bamiga2002 · 16 January 2011, 21:35

@KevG
Enjoy and forget any legality issues with old Amiga games, they are for your pleasure

Their commerciality is quite diminished...

jotd · 16 January 2011, 22:15

lots of formerly commercial games are now free (Gremlin, Cinemaware, ...)
Since no profit is done with the old amiga games, no one will sue for their download (check PC abandonware sites, there are a ton of them and noone cares either)

Retro-Nerd · 16 January 2011, 22:17

Even Sega and Nintendo didn't care about it, e.g the SNES/Mega Drive roms. So, who else cares? I enjoy the old classics for sure.

TCD · 16 January 2011, 22:18

Abandonware is just a fancy name, doesn't mean anything. Like jotd says, the main reason why some things can't be linked or uploaded here is because there are still people interested in selling those things and thus could take legal action against EAB. Anyway, I think it has been discussed enough in this thread and in the past, so this one gets closed now.

16 January 2011, 17:41	#1
nixxjsteve Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Merseyside Posts: 62	KGWHD - confusion Hi there do the game packs on http://kg.whdownload.com/kgwhd/ actually have the games? from looking at one of the packs and inside the files it would seem so... There is no info to state either way.

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16 January 2011, 17:44	#3
nixxjsteve Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Merseyside Posts: 62	Oh ok thanks alot im guessing the same for http://www.whdownload.com/ itself then? thanks alot.

16 January 2011, 17:45	#4
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,612	Yes, that's what 'preinstalled' means.

16 January 2011, 17:53	#5
nixxjsteve Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Merseyside Posts: 62	I am aware what it means, I just thought it would be deemed illegal. Guess not.

16 January 2011, 17:57	#6
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,612	They are the full, preinstalled games that you can play.

16 January 2011, 18:12	#7
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,201	It is mostly illegal, but noone cares (well I don't). Since it does not make the Amiga ROMS available, noone seems to bother.

16 January 2011, 20:28	#9
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,612	Actually it's dead easy if you read the rules here : http://eab.abime.net/faq.php?faq=eab..._ks_wb_faqitem Everything not covered by that rule is considered 'okay' to share (but it's still not legal).

16 January 2011, 20:34	#10
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Not that strange KevG - the Workbench ROMS are still sold today, and spreading them gets sites into trouble and reported. Ancient games people turn a blind eye to, unless a thread like this pops up. It would be a pretty misrible place if eveyone enforced letter of the law at every opportunity.

16 January 2011, 20:42	#12
KevG Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: U.K. Posts: 93	Hi CyberDruid. Yes, I read the quote. "It is illegal to distribute kickstart ROMs or Workbench disks (even if modified) as they are still copyrighted." However, these rules are EAB rules. If EAB where to follow the letter of the law then the term "As they are still copyrighted material" would apply to commercial games as well. The only exceptions I could think of are games which were published by companies that no longer exist as they would be unable to persue copyright infringement cases. I know that no one really gives a shit these days, but technically, I think that am right here. Kev G [sorry to go off topic]

16 January 2011, 21:35	#14
Bamiga2002 BlizzardPPC'less Join Date: May 2004 Location: Finland Age: 46 Posts: 3,210	@KevG Enjoy and forget any legality issues with old Amiga games, they are for your pleasure Their commerciality is quite diminished...

16 January 2011, 22:15	#15
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,201	lots of formerly commercial games are now free (Gremlin, Cinemaware, ...) Since no profit is done with the old amiga games, no one will sue for their download (check PC abandonware sites, there are a ton of them and noone cares either)

16 January 2011, 22:17	#16
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,447	Even Sega and Nintendo didn't care about it, e.g the SNES/Mega Drive roms. So, who else cares? I enjoy the old classics for sure.

16 January 2011, 22:18	#17
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,612	Abandonware is just a fancy name, doesn't mean anything. Like jotd says, the main reason why some things can't be linked or uploaded here is because there are still people interested in selling those things and thus could take legal action against EAB. Anyway, I think it has been discussed enough in this thread and in the past, so this one gets closed now.

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