DCE Flicker Magic informations

mrodfr · 04 February 2006, 17:58

hello,

someone could sell me his dce flicker magic (scan+ff) for 80 euros. As I don't know this product, I need help by allready users of this product:

- Worth the money asked ???
- Scan+ff on iiyama 17" all PAL screens???
- If scan+ff fitted on the second output of the monitor with a BNC cable, could the PAL screen is automagically showed when needed ???
- Not too hot when the sc/ff used ???
- OK between a mediator 4 PCI bus ???

if you have others usefull suggestions....

thanks for helping me and good WE.

keropi · 05 February 2006, 02:46

I have one, it is great...

1. it worths it, I got mine for 110e
2. yep it will work fine
3. autoswitching? I don't think so...
4. I have applied a small heatsink on the main chip, not needed but it helps
5. I cannot say if it is ok with mediator, but it fits without any problems along a fastata...

Take notice that the de-interlacing feature is not perfect, some sprite flashing may occur, but it sure beats the original modes...
take it, it is a nice hardware!

mrodfr · 05 February 2006, 07:21

hello,

3. With a monitor cable with 3 bnc on the second output of the iiyama, maybe juming to PAL by using the OSD menu of the monitor ??? You have 2 monitors on your settings ???

4.hope that don't kill the mainboard sooner or later but as I have a voodoo, this scanmagic just be hot only when showing PAL screens, I think.

5. thanks for this fact.

scandoubling is 99% and deinterlacing is 1% I think. I don't know lots of games running in interlaced PAL screenmode.

where the output of the little card of this SC go (opposite of all the connectors or go to pcmcia side or floppy side or...) just hope there is enough ribbon to go on one of the output of the tower itself.

thaks for all the answers.

ant512 · 05 February 2006, 11:39

3. The scandoubler outputs to VGA, not a BNC connection.

mrodfr · 05 February 2006, 15:26

hello,

I'm talking about a monitor cable with svga in a side and bnc in the other side because I have 2 output in the monitor, a normal one and the second one is BNC.

wondering if the monitor could automagically switch bnc when needed and hope not using OSD menu for switching to PAL manually each time.

bye

07 February 2006, 21:23

Buy it! Its great.

C.I.A.O.

keropi · 07 February 2006, 21:56

I really cannot help with this bnc situation, sorry...
perhaps you can get an internal switch , like I did...
like the bmon, smon etc
I have that one: http://www.mmd-shop.de/m-switch.htm

Jope · 08 February 2006, 06:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrodfr

wondering if the monitor could automagically switch bnc when needed and hope not using OSD menu for switching to PAL manually each time.

Probably not, as the graphics card doesn't usually turn off if you switch to a pal mode.

mrodfr · 08 February 2006, 19:04

hello,

thanks for the hardware monitor switch informations,keropi.

I have sending the money and wait for the hardware (1 week or less).

the OSD of the monitor had a menu for choosing signal (bnc or svga). Hope at least I could switch signal like that (manually) :-)

for sure I let you know about this problem again soon.

keropi · 08 February 2006, 19:37

ah the people at Multimedia&Design are nice!
even though I got their switch from ebay, they answered all my emails...
excellent! and the switch is of very high quality too!

mrodfr · 19 February 2006, 07:46

hello,

I have received and fitted the DCE SD/FF on my amiga (no problems between the mediator) and do some test and the hardware work.

the early startup menu in PAL flicker a little (the grey color background) and no this fact on NTSC. slamtilt on PAL work great but sometime speed and sometime slow when switching HIGHRES screen to LOWRES screen (when multiball play).

the problem:
monitor with 2 video cables at the same time (one graphic card, one PAL SD/FF). when booting PAL is first and when the WB is here, the screen is white. need to use the osd menu to choose the graphic card source for the WB. same for playing a PAL game, same to return to the gfx card Workbench and so on... mean boring

solution:
- boot with a Boot zip cartridge with PAL WB just for playing games sometime. mean switch manually PAL video when needed

- a mono-swith just on the PAL video source when needed (a kind on ON/OFF button) if exist.

- a software that could do that. maybe picasso96 had this feature/settings.

- a special hardware ??

if you have idea to use this SD/FF on a monitor with 2 output and have the grahpic card screen as default when booting (and not the PAL because It's the first of the 2 video signal automagicaly detected by the monitor) or simply using well the amiga now fitted with a SD/FF, please let me know...

bye

alexh · 19 February 2006, 13:14

If you have an Iiyama montor then with a bit of software it WILL switch for you. You just have to make your gfx card output turn off (which you can do in software)

mrodfr · 19 February 2006, 14:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

If you have an Iiyama montor then with a bit of software it WILL switch for you. You just have to make your gfx card output turn off (which you can do in software)

Yes, I have a iiyama but I don't understand your explanation. please be more precise, sorry.

I boot in PAL by default mean white screen (PAL). use OSD to the graphic card screen. use osd for PAL for a whdload game, use osd to return to graphic card screen....

my first wish is to have graphic card video first (by having PAL when booting and after 96 screen when iprefs,loadwb in the SS). after if I just switch sometime to PAL with the OSD when playing game, no problem. the best is all automagically.

I use 2 video cable at the same time and the iiyama take the PAL and kept because It's the first

thanks for futur help and good end of WE.

DDNI · 25 March 2007, 21:38

I have just started using my one of these. Is it a full AGA compatible sd/ff?

I ask cos mine doesn't seem to display RED? It is likely busted, but I wanna know for sure.

Ta.

alexh · 25 March 2007, 23:41

It is AGA compatible but not a 24-bit scandoubler. If you are not seeing RED then something is wrong.

keropi · 26 March 2007, 00:19

it uses 8 bits to describe the RED color, 4 bits for Green and 4 bits for Blue...
to be trully AGA it would need 8bits in every color...

DDNI · 26 March 2007, 00:22

Hmm ok thanks, I will try reseating it....

alexh · 26 March 2007, 10:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by keropi

it uses 8 bits to describe the RED color, 4 bits for Green and 4 bits for Blue...

I've seen you post this before. Is this true? Most 16-bit RGB systems are 5-bits RED, 6-bits Green, 5-bits Blue. The human eye is more sensitive to changes in GREEN and that is why there are more bits for green.

8:4:4 would look horrible, plus there is no technical basis on which anyone would choose this colour ratio.

keropi · 26 March 2007, 14:05

yeah, this conlusion was made on a similar post in amiga.org and tests where made with large solid color blocks on the screen... I remember it because ALL external sd/ff are 6:5:5 like u said Alexh ... peole wondered in .org why they chose that combination... beats me!

alexh · 26 March 2007, 14:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by keropi

conclusion was made on a similar post in amiga.org

Any chance you can provide a link to that post on amiga.org? I cannot find it.

Quote:

I remember it because ALL external sd/ff are 6:5:5 like u said

5:6:5 even

04 February 2006, 17:58	#1
mrodfr Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: 62-France Age: 56 Posts: 413	DCE Flicker Magic informations hello, someone could sell me his dce flicker magic (scan+ff) for 80 euros. As I don't know this product, I need help by allready users of this product: - Worth the money asked ??? - Scan+ff on iiyama 17" all PAL screens??? - If scan+ff fitted on the second output of the monitor with a BNC cable, could the PAL screen is automagically showed when needed ??? - Not too hot when the sc/ff used ??? - OK between a mediator 4 PCI bus ??? if you have others usefull suggestions.... thanks for helping me and good WE.

19 February 2006, 07:46	#11
mrodfr Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: 62-France Age: 56 Posts: 413	the DCE SD/FF is working hello, I have received and fitted the DCE SD/FF on my amiga (no problems between the mediator) and do some test and the hardware work. the early startup menu in PAL flicker a little (the grey color background) and no this fact on NTSC. slamtilt on PAL work great but sometime speed and sometime slow when switching HIGHRES screen to LOWRES screen (when multiball play). the problem: monitor with 2 video cables at the same time (one graphic card, one PAL SD/FF). when booting PAL is first and when the WB is here, the screen is white. need to use the osd menu to choose the graphic card source for the WB. same for playing a PAL game, same to return to the gfx card Workbench and so on... mean boring solution: - boot with a Boot zip cartridge with PAL WB just for playing games sometime. mean switch manually PAL video when needed - a mono-swith just on the PAL video source when needed (a kind on ON/OFF button) if exist. - a software that could do that. maybe picasso96 had this feature/settings. - a special hardware ?? if you have idea to use this SD/FF on a monitor with 2 output and have the grahpic card screen as default when booting (and not the PAL because It's the first of the 2 video signal automagicaly detected by the monitor) or simply using well the amiga now fitted with a SD/FF, please let me know... bye

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05 February 2006, 02:46	#2
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	I have one, it is great... 1. it worths it, I got mine for 110e 2. yep it will work fine 3. autoswitching? I don't think so... 4. I have applied a small heatsink on the main chip, not needed but it helps 5. I cannot say if it is ok with mediator, but it fits without any problems along a fastata... Take notice that the de-interlacing feature is not perfect, some sprite flashing may occur, but it sure beats the original modes... take it, it is a nice hardware!

05 February 2006, 07:21	#3
mrodfr Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: 62-France Age: 56 Posts: 413	hello, 3. With a monitor cable with 3 bnc on the second output of the iiyama, maybe juming to PAL by using the OSD menu of the monitor ??? You have 2 monitors on your settings ??? 4.hope that don't kill the mainboard sooner or later but as I have a voodoo, this scanmagic just be hot only when showing PAL screens, I think. 5. thanks for this fact. scandoubling is 99% and deinterlacing is 1% I think. I don't know lots of games running in interlaced PAL screenmode. where the output of the little card of this SC go (opposite of all the connectors or go to pcmcia side or floppy side or...) just hope there is enough ribbon to go on one of the output of the tower itself. thaks for all the answers.

05 February 2006, 11:39	#4
ant512 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Posts: 965	3. The scandoubler outputs to VGA, not a BNC connection.

05 February 2006, 15:26	#5
mrodfr Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: 62-France Age: 56 Posts: 413	hello, I'm talking about a monitor cable with svga in a side and bnc in the other side because I have 2 output in the monitor, a normal one and the second one is BNC. wondering if the monitor could automagically switch bnc when needed and hope not using OSD menu for switching to PAL manually each time. bye

07 February 2006, 21:23	#6
saxonian Posts: n/a	Buy it! Its great. C.I.A.O.

07 February 2006, 21:56	#7
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	I really cannot help with this bnc situation, sorry... perhaps you can get an internal switch , like I did... like the bmon, smon etc I have that one: http://www.mmd-shop.de/m-switch.htm

08 February 2006, 19:04	#9
mrodfr Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: 62-France Age: 56 Posts: 413	hello, thanks for the hardware monitor switch informations,keropi. I have sending the money and wait for the hardware (1 week or less). the OSD of the monitor had a menu for choosing signal (bnc or svga). Hope at least I could switch signal like that (manually) :-) for sure I let you know about this problem again soon.

08 February 2006, 19:37	#10
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	ah the people at Multimedia&Design are nice! even though I got their switch from ebay, they answered all my emails... excellent! and the switch is of very high quality too!

19 February 2006, 13:14	#12
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,418	If you have an Iiyama montor then with a bit of software it WILL switch for you. You just have to make your gfx card output turn off (which you can do in software)

25 March 2007, 21:38	#14
DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 5,433	I have just started using my one of these. Is it a full AGA compatible sd/ff? I ask cos mine doesn't seem to display RED? It is likely busted, but I wanna know for sure. Ta.

25 March 2007, 23:41	#15
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,418	It is AGA compatible but not a 24-bit scandoubler. If you are not seeing RED then something is wrong.

26 March 2007, 00:19	#16
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	it uses 8 bits to describe the RED color, 4 bits for Green and 4 bits for Blue... to be trully AGA it would need 8bits in every color...

26 March 2007, 00:22	#17
DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 5,433	Hmm ok thanks, I will try reseating it....

26 March 2007, 14:05	#19
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	yeah, this conlusion was made on a similar post in amiga.org and tests where made with large solid color blocks on the screen... I remember it because ALL external sd/ff are 6:5:5 like u said Alexh ... peole wondered in .org why they chose that combination... beats me!

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