Trolls OCS

absence · 20 May 2013, 11:42

Does anyone have original disks for the OCS version of Trolls? They're missing from SPS - they only have two AGA versions (one is mislabeled as ECS).

absence · 21 May 2013, 23:41

Just to make sure there is no misunderstanding: I'm not asking for the game, I'm asking that someone submit it to SPS.

MethodGit · 18 July 2013, 00:10

This error was brought up nearly three years ago. Frustrating to see it still hasn't been resolved.

mai · 18 July 2013, 17:48

By the way, what is the difference between the two available IPF releases(0155 and 0996)?
For me both releases are exactly the same Disks, maybe different dumping methods ?

MethodGit · 18 July 2013, 19:34

Maybe. That or sometimes the same drive can produce different 'bits' during a dumping process. It must not be easy to get identical 1:1 dumps every time.

mai · 18 July 2013, 19:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by MethodGit

Maybe. That or sometimes the same drive can produce different 'bits' during a dumping process. It must not be easy to get identical 1:1 dumps every time.

...or different preservation format, one of both is probably outdated.

Mad-Matt · 18 July 2013, 19:58

One of them could be the A1200 pack in version and the other retail?

absence · 19 July 2013, 13:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by MethodGit

This error was brought up nearly three years ago. Frustrating to see it still hasn't been resolved.

Wow! When I submitted a support ticket to SPS one year ago, neither of the two guys who responded knew about the error...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad-Matt

One of them could be the A1200 pack in version and the other retail?

That would make sense.

mai · 19 July 2013, 14:19

Is there any different protection than the manual protection?

absence · 19 July 2013, 17:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by mai

Is there any different protection than the manual protection?

dlfrsilver · 19 July 2013, 17:40

it's copylocked yes

StingRay · 19 July 2013, 18:26

Not true, game only uses Rob Northen's loader routines. It has no on-disk protection. I only checked the AGA version though as I have no original of the OCS version.

MethodGit · 19 July 2013, 19:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by StingRay

Not true, game only uses Rob Northen's loader routines. It has no on-disk protection. I only checked the AGA version though as I have no original of the OCS version.

You can use the disk images from the OCS zip on WHDownload. That's an unaltered original AFAIK.

absence · 20 July 2013, 01:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by StingRay

Not true, game only uses Rob Northen's loader routines. It has no on-disk protection.

Ah, that explains why X-Copy's checkdisk was all zero

Sandro · 20 July 2013, 06:19

yes the images from whdownload site are originals ones
I renamed the images to ipf and worked perfect on winuae, seems there is no copy protection,only protection codes you need the manual to bypass it

mai · 20 July 2013, 14:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad-Matt

One of them could be the A1200 pack in version and the other retail?

Without any bit of difference.
Makes it sense to preserve two disksets, which are exactly the same images?

absence · 20 July 2013, 15:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by mai

Without any bit of difference.
Makes it sense to preserve two disksets, which are exactly the same images?

It's possible that there are differences in metadata present on the floppies (but not readable by the Amiga). If that's the case it makes sense from a preservation/documentation viewpoint, but not from a practical viewpoint. I don't know if there IS such a difference though, someone familiar with the IPF format would have to answer that.

MethodGit · 20 July 2013, 15:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandro

yes the images from whdownload site are originals ones
I renamed the images to ipf and worked perfect on winuae, seems there is no copy protection,only protection codes you need the manual to bypass it

Erm, you don't need to change the extension to .ipf - .adf will suffice!

Sandro · 20 July 2013, 16:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by MethodGit

Erm, you don't need to change the extension to .ipf - .adf will suffice!

but I assumed those images are not adf because are not 901.120 bytes
maybe extended adf ?

mai · 20 July 2013, 16:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by absence

It's possible that there are differences in metadata present on the floppies (but not readable by the Amiga). If that's the case it makes sense from a preservation/documentation viewpoint, but not from a practical viewpoint. I don't know if there IS such a difference though, someone familiar with the IPF format would have to answer that.

Anyway, the SPS-team do not make needed corrections on SPS and HOL page, althought the facts are known for a long time!

20 May 2013, 11:42	#1
absence Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: moon Posts: 373	Trolls OCS Does anyone have original disks for the OCS version of Trolls? They're missing from SPS - they only have two AGA versions (one is mislabeled as ECS).

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absence Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: moon Posts: 373	Just to make sure there is no misunderstanding: I'm not asking for the game, I'm asking that someone submit it to SPS.

18 July 2013, 00:10	#3
MethodGit Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Streets Age: 39 Posts: 2,731	This error was brought up nearly three years ago. Frustrating to see it still hasn't been resolved.

18 July 2013, 17:48	#4
mai Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Federativnaya Respublika Germaniya Posts: 4,994	By the way, what is the difference between the two available IPF releases(0155 and 0996)? For me both releases are exactly the same Disks, maybe different dumping methods ?

18 July 2013, 19:34	#5
MethodGit Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Streets Age: 39 Posts: 2,731	Maybe. That or sometimes the same drive can produce different 'bits' during a dumping process. It must not be easy to get identical 1:1 dumps every time.

18 July 2013, 19:58	#7
Mad-Matt Longplayer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lincoln / UK Age: 44 Posts: 1,846	One of them could be the A1200 pack in version and the other retail?

19 July 2013, 14:19	#9
mai Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Federativnaya Respublika Germaniya Posts: 4,994	Is there any different protection than the manual protection?

19 July 2013, 17:40	#11
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,412	it's copylocked yes

19 July 2013, 18:26	#12
StingRay move.l #$c0ff33,throat Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin/Joymoney Posts: 6,863	Not true, game only uses Rob Northen's loader routines. It has no on-disk protection. I only checked the AGA version though as I have no original of the OCS version.

20 July 2013, 06:19	#15
Sandro Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: spain Posts: 897	yes the images from whdownload site are originals ones I renamed the images to ipf and worked perfect on winuae, seems there is no copy protection,only protection codes you need the manual to bypass it

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