Amiga Clone Natami - Planned For Summer 2008 - Page 2

Npl · 11 March 2008, 15:10

Still there are many incoherent things - why beef up the chipset with new features, AGA was already quite a mess because of register-compatibility with OCS. Its not like anyone would/should use the new features.

if you look at the prices of 68060`s you`d be better of getting a powerfull MIPS or ARM Processor for a fraction of the cost and emulate 68k. Those games/app that run on a 060 and dont care for chipsettimings shouldnt be that hard to emulate anyway - so why even bother for compatibility on hardware-level, it only pushes the price way up.

alexh · 11 March 2008, 15:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by girv

There also seems to be a lot crammed in to what I'm assuming is an FPGA. alexh, does it seem feasible to fit all those features into one chip?

Who said he has to use one FPGA?

I'll wait and see, but the more I/O you have the more expensive the FPGA.

Just count the I/O required for:

PCI-32 (72-pins)
68k (88 pins)
SDRAM (116 pins)
Floppy disk (16 pins)
IDE (33 pins)
VGA (25 pins)
2x Joystick (14 pins)
PS/2 Keyboard + Mouse (4 pins)
16-bit Audio (In and out)
Svideo in and out

At over 400 user I/O you're looking at a single FPGA where the chip costs around the $300 mark. That's not even considering routing congestion, capacity etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Npl

if you look at the prices of 68060`s

Those are "Military" prices. End user prices are more the €80 mark. I just bought 3.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Npl

you`d be better of getting a powerful MIPS or ARM Processor for a fraction of the cost and emulate 68k. Those games/app that run on a 060 and dont care for chipset timings shouldn't be that hard to emulate anyway - so why even bother for compatibility on hardware-level, it only pushes the price way up.

Because you'll never be able to "emulate 68k" at the physical level any time soon.

Mick_AKA · 11 March 2008, 17:23

My bullshit alarm went off the clock when I looked around the Natami site.

This would be great, but it's rather suspicious.

Retro-Nerd · 11 March 2008, 17:48

http://www.natami.net/contact.htm

mrodfr · 11 March 2008, 19:34

hello,

yes, there are a contact page. guys must read more the site ;-)

BTW, all must pray to see this verry promising project at final stage, even if 6 months later.

gunnar at amigaworld see the project and even code a demo for the natami (see some grab on the natami site).

the question of the natami is: so promising that I think that the developper work on the project 8 hours per day and/or thomas is a verry talentuous hardware developper to have the skill to do all the work alone.

all must support and hope to see the project finished IMHO.

bye.

Retro-Nerd · 11 March 2008, 19:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrodfr

hello,

yes, there are a contact page. guys must read more the site ;-)

Thomas added this contact section today as it seems.

Dizzy · 11 March 2008, 20:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Thomas added this contact section today as it seems.

is he a member of this board or did he just read this thread

Paul_s · 11 March 2008, 20:57

August 2008 - 2 more weeks.

cv643d · 11 March 2008, 21:08

LoL

Exit · 11 March 2008, 21:48

amazing project, let it come true and reach production

MazinKaesar · 11 March 2008, 23:53

Well if it's not a joke, we will have a new toy. If not, we will remain as today, with WinUAE

Charlie · 12 March 2008, 00:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by MazinKaesar

Well if it's not a joke, we will have a new toy. If not, we will remain as today, with WinUAE

Most philosophical.

Zetr0 · 12 March 2008, 01:04

and almost close to a HaiKu

MazinKaesar · 12 March 2008, 09:19

I'm only managing to survive

... Anyway, I'm really a BeOS/Haiku fan

blade002 · 12 March 2008, 09:29

Gulp !!!! ..

jrom · 12 March 2008, 13:45

Omg!

Zetr0 · 12 March 2008, 14:27

@Blade / jrom

Haiku's aren't that scairy

MazinKaesar · 12 March 2008, 15:24

lol!!!!

Anyway, I found myself a poet!!!

Christian · 13 March 2008, 21:32

Cool - hope this really comes out. I'd love one in a Pandora type case ....

http://openpandora.org/

actually ... I'd just love a Pandora too

Computolio · 14 March 2008, 08:15

The prototype is utterly crazy. It basically looks like a C-One with a 68030 jammed into it.

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11 March 2008, 15:10	#21
Npl Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Vienna / Austria Age: 44 Posts: 257	Still there are many incoherent things - why beef up the chipset with new features, AGA was already quite a mess because of register-compatibility with OCS. Its not like anyone would/should use the new features. if you look at the prices of 68060`s you`d be better of getting a powerfull MIPS or ARM Processor for a fraction of the cost and emulate 68k. Those games/app that run on a 060 and dont care for chipsettimings shouldnt be that hard to emulate anyway - so why even bother for compatibility on hardware-level, it only pushes the price way up.

11 March 2008, 17:23	#23
Mick_AKA crusader of light Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Stone, Staffordshire. Posts: 1,151	My bullshit alarm went off the clock when I looked around the Natami site. This would be great, but it's rather suspicious.

11 March 2008, 17:48	#24
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,436	http://www.natami.net/contact.htm

11 March 2008, 19:34	#25
mrodfr Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: 62-France Age: 56 Posts: 413	hello, yes, there are a contact page. guys must read more the site ;-) BTW, all must pray to see this verry promising project at final stage, even if 6 months later. gunnar at amigaworld see the project and even code a demo for the natami (see some grab on the natami site). the question of the natami is: so promising that I think that the developper work on the project 8 hours per day and/or thomas is a verry talentuous hardware developper to have the skill to do all the work alone. all must support and hope to see the project finished IMHO. bye.

11 March 2008, 20:57	#28
Paul_s Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Amigaville Age: 46 Posts: 3,334	August 2008 - 2 more weeks.

11 March 2008, 21:08	#29
cv643d Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 762	LoL

11 March 2008, 21:48	#30
Exit Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Holland/The netherlands Age: 49 Posts: 122	amazing project, let it come true and reach production

11 March 2008, 23:53	#31
MazinKaesar Super Robot Pilot Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Modena (Italy) Age: 48 Posts: 870	Well if it's not a joke, we will have a new toy. If not, we will remain as today, with WinUAE

12 March 2008, 01:04	#33
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	and almost close to a HaiKu

12 March 2008, 09:29	#35
blade002 Zone Friend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Australia Age: 50 Posts: 2,616	Gulp !!!! ..

12 March 2008, 13:45	#36
jrom Wannabe asm coder ;) Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Age: 47 Posts: 459	Omg!

12 March 2008, 14:27	#37
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@Blade / jrom Haiku's aren't that scairy

13 March 2008, 21:32	#39
Christian Zone Friend Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gloucestershire Age: 51 Posts: 218	Cool - hope this really comes out. I'd love one in a Pandora type case .... http://openpandora.org/ actually ... I'd just love a Pandora too

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Computolio Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: California Posts: 174	The prototype is utterly crazy. It basically looks like a C-One with a 68030 jammed into it.

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