Kickstart 3.9 ROM Beta screenshots & movie - Page 4

TCD · 12 March 2009, 22:52

Which tool do you use to make the ROM file for WinUAE then hit? Would like to mess around with it too

hit · 12 March 2009, 22:59

those by doobrey: http://www.doobreynet.co.uk/beta/index.html Remus and romsplit.

TCD · 12 March 2009, 23:00

Thanks hit

hit · 12 March 2009, 23:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Thanks hit

np, but dont exp4ct too much from the a1000jingle. its rather _boring_ . maybe a tiny module/chip-tune player could be added.

Edit: .. while the machine sits on kickstart screen, awaiting a disk to be inserted. that would be cool. or while entering the boot-menu itself? can anyone build such module?

Ratte · 12 March 2009, 23:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Maybe you can shed some light on this then

I would say it's an modified version then?

Modified version of what?
I´m the programmer of twinkick.

The 3.9 exec had to be modified.
(baseadr. + memoryconfig + checksum and so on)

And you must compile the rom to $200000.
Remus is able to do that since v0.91 (a "hidden" feature, i asked for).

lopos2000 · 12 March 2009, 23:32

Thanks Ratte.Nicel info.

DoogUK · 13 March 2009, 00:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratte

If you own an A4000T you will have these problem (extra room needed for the NCRscsi.device).
All other systems (A500-A4000D) have enough romspace for a 3.9 rom.
You can create it classic compatible with two specials.

1. add the "wbfind" from a 4000t rom and your system allways works with workbench.library on disk ( should work without, but this is MORE compatible, because it search for the lib on every drive instead only LIBS: ).

2. icon.library 45.5 .. the only real "romable" 3.9 icon.library and downgraded to work also with 68000 cpus.
The presetting in 45.5 are changed to view old icon-sytle with borders (3.1 compatible) if no prefs are loaded.

Here is my old A500/600/2000(A1000) buildlist from 2006.

Code:

RomBase $F80000
RomSize 512
;Build list
/exec_45.20(68000)
/audio.device_37.10
/input_40.1
/graphics.lib_40.24(68000)
/dos.library_40.3
/filesystem_45.14
/console.device_44.10
/layers.library_40.1
/scsi.device_43.43(A600)
/con-handler_40.2
/bootmenu_44.7(68000)
/timer.device_39.4
/expansion_40.2(A500-600-2000)
/utility.library_40.1(68000)
/battclock.resource_39.3
/carddisk.resource_40.1
/cia.resource_39.1
/filesystem.resource_45.10
/battmem.resource_39.2
/potgo.resource_37.4
/misc.resource_37.1
/wbtask_39.1
/disk.resource_37.2
/ramdrive_39.35
/mathffp.library_40.1
/keymap.library_40.4
/romboot_40.1
/card.resource_40.4
/mathieeesingbas.lib_40.4(68000)
/trackdisk.device_40.1
/icon.library_45.5
/ram-handler_44.24
/shell_45.12
/intuition.library_40.85
/gadtools.library_40.4
/wbfind 40.1
/ramlib_40.2

@Akira: Twinkick3.9 is not public.

Not true when it comes to classicwb, scalos STILL cannot find workbench.lib.

Ratte · 15 March 2009, 14:05

@DoogUK: so scalos wont run on a normal 3.1 a4000t !?
i cant belive it ...

but ... if its true, you can fix it by loading the wb.lib with loadresident before scalos executes.

01 June 2009, 15:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by hit

@TCD: never thought it could be found there, thnx

@ratte: thnx for the infos

concerning the 1MB rom. IIRC it was said, you can use a main and extended rom on a real amiga.
using the "1MegRom" module by doobrey on the main rom (ROMBase $F80000) and adding all remaining things into the extended one (ROMBase $E00000).
at least this way i made such combination which works in winuae. here is the projectfile:

Code:

;Build list extended rom
;ROMBase $E00000
;ROMSize 512

ADD others/RomHeader/romheader
ADD BK_Mods/Patchmath020_All  
ADD BK_Mods/Romfixes2         
ADD BlizKick/Modules/A1000Jingle
ADD BlizKick/Modules/SpeedyChip 

;Build list main rom
;ROMBase $F80000
;ROMSize 512

ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/exec_40.10(A1200)
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/audio.device_37.10
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/battclock.resource_39.3
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/battmem.resource_39.2
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/bootmenu_40.5(A1200)
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/filesystem.resource_40.1
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/cia.resource_39.1
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/filesystem_40.1
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/con-handler_40.2
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/mathffp.library_40.1
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/misc.resource_37.1
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/potgo.resource_37.4
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/mathieeesingbas.lib_40.4(020)
ADD others/1MegRom
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/ramdrive_39.35
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/ram-handler_39.4
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/scsi.device_40.12(A1200)
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/shell_40.2
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/timer.device_39.4
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/romboot_40.1
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/ramlib_40.2
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/gadtools.library_40.4
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/intuition.library_40.85
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/input_40.1
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/icon.library_40.1
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/graphics.lib_40.24(AGA)
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/console.device_40.2
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/disk.resource_37.2
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/layers.library_40.1
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/keymap.library_40.4
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/trackdisk.device_40.1
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/utility.library_40.1(020)
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/wbtask_39.1
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/workbench.library_40.5
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/dos.library_40.3
ADD Modules/40.68(A1200)/expansion_40.2(A1200)
ADD BK_Mods/HogWaitBlit
ADD BK_Mods/Romfixes2
ADD BlizKick/Modules/FixMath404
ADD BlizKick/Modules/NewAlert
ADD BK_Mods/Patchmath020_All
ADD Modules/Exec44b4/LatePatch
ADD PowerWindows/BlizKick/PowerWindows

and yes, its plays the a1000 jingle while booting

so is there a need for a 1MB rom at all? or do i mix here something?

Edit: "others/1MegRom" was renamed in the last release of remus -> "Remus/Others/Blizkick/1MB_ROM"
so add "1MB_ROM" instead of "1MegRom".

How come you have Patchmath020_All and Romfixes2 in two places?

MethodGit · 02 June 2009, 11:54

If I used SplitROM and Remus to rebuild a Kickstart ROM, would WinUAE accept oversized ones (like 1mb for instance)?

TCD · 02 June 2009, 12:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by MethodGit

If I used SplitROM and Remus to rebuild a Kickstart ROM, would WinUAE accept oversized ones (like 1mb for instance)?

Have a look here : http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=291
Calgor has recently done this and tested it with WinUAE (look at the last posts in the thread).

hit · 02 June 2009, 14:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by talybont

How come you have Patchmath020_All and Romfixes2 in two places?

good question. i guess it doesnt hurt. IIRC, the patches gets applied to those rom-components and wont stay in the finished rom.
while buidling the new rom in remus, they just scans for patchable structures and apply patches where possible.
i just added them twice because once for the main rom and then for the second (exented) one. so the patches can get applied on both roms.

Edit: already mentioned, but again some infos:
Main Rom: ROMBase $F80000 | ROMSize 512 -> must have "1MB_ROM" patch right after the exec.library
Ext. Rom: ROMBase $E00000 | ROMSize 512 -> must have "romheader" as first entry

abraXXious · 18 January 2010, 05:58

Erm, guys. You do know there is a guy here in Australia that makes some VERY nice Amiga hardware..... including Kickstart 3.9 roms for $8.00 a piece.

If anyone wants to order one, or one of his wonderful RGB to Svideo adapters (both Pal and NTSC) or any other goodies, his website is www.amigamaniac.com.

Hope you guys find this information useful.

12 February 2012, 10:43

Greta Job!Does anyone can send me those 3.9 Kickstart files ready to burn on eprom?

voxel · 12 February 2012, 13:50

selling 3.9 roms is absolutely forbiden by Amiga Inc... I would'nt want to be that guy when AInc will sue him (and some others that do the same...)

btw making yourself your own for use in your Amiga is possible.

I have selfmade 3.9 roms in all my Amiga (all models) since 2007, all working nicelly, and asked for distribution licence but wasn't allowed to :-( so I kept it for myself, too bad but it's normal.

Retrofan · 12 February 2012, 19:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by voxel

btw making yourself your own for use in your Amiga is possible.

So, you can make them and tell another to burn them for you without problems...

I've sent today a kickstart image to Amigamanic to be burned for my A1200.

FOL · 13 February 2012, 11:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retrofan

So, you can make them and tell another to burn them for you without problems...

I've sent today a kickstart image to Amigamanic to be burned for my A1200.

You do realise this talk is against the rules.

Leffmann · 13 February 2012, 11:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOL

You do realise this talk is against the rules.

Where in the rules & help page does it say you can't discuss this handling and usage of ROM files? Sorry but you know I jump on all this making ROM files into a taboo topic.

Retrofan · 13 February 2012, 12:16

I'm only saying that I'm not going to buy the hardware needed to burn a kickstart I've made in my own Amiga, so if someone offers to make it and even he says he can't burn but what you'll give him, he isn't doing anything wrong IMHO.

FOL · 13 February 2012, 13:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leffmann

Where in the rules & help page does it say you can't discuss this handling and usage of ROM files? Sorry but you know I jump on all this making ROM files into a taboo topic.

Sending a ROM to someone to burn to a ROM is not discussing.
People have also posted info on where to get priated ROMS.
Clearly against the rules.

I normally dont say anything, but this is blatent piracy.
I like the way you have jumped on me and I was'nt the first to comment.

I have no problem in this topic, as its relavent for new accellerator cards (ACA cards, that can boot 512kb / 1mb rom images).
I have made my own for my A600 using an ACA card, using 3.9 updates. Removes all reboots 3.9 has when updated.

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12 March 2009, 22:52	#61
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,612	Which tool do you use to make the ROM file for WinUAE then hit? Would like to mess around with it too

12 March 2009, 22:59	#62
hit Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: planet earth Posts: 1,115	those by doobrey: http://www.doobreynet.co.uk/beta/index.html Remus and romsplit.

12 March 2009, 23:00	#63
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,612	Thanks hit

12 March 2009, 23:32	#66
lopos2000 Zone Friend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Cider is best In The West Posts: 1,238	Thanks Ratte.Nicel info.

15 March 2009, 14:05	#68
Ratte Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 331	@DoogUK: so scalos wont run on a normal 3.1 a4000t !? i cant belive it ... but ... if its true, you can fix it by loading the wb.lib with loadresident before scalos executes.

02 June 2009, 11:54	#70
MethodGit Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Streets Age: 39 Posts: 2,731	If I used SplitROM and Remus to rebuild a Kickstart ROM, would WinUAE accept oversized ones (like 1mb for instance)?

18 January 2010, 05:58	#73
abraXXious Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Mount Isa / Australia Posts: 48	Erm, guys. You do know there is a guy here in Australia that makes some VERY nice Amiga hardware..... including Kickstart 3.9 roms for $8.00 a piece. If anyone wants to order one, or one of his wonderful RGB to Svideo adapters (both Pal and NTSC) or any other goodies, his website is www.amigamaniac.com. Hope you guys find this information useful.

12 February 2012, 10:43	#74
Lynx(Triad) Posts: n/a	Greta Job!Does anyone can send me those 3.9 Kickstart files ready to burn on eprom?

12 February 2012, 13:50	#75
voxel Amiga Nuts! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Le Mayet d'Ecole, 03800, FRANCE Posts: 176	selling 3.9 roms is absolutely forbiden by Amiga Inc... I would'nt want to be that guy when AInc will sue him (and some others that do the same...) btw making yourself your own for use in your Amiga is possible. I have selfmade 3.9 roms in all my Amiga (all models) since 2007, all working nicelly, and asked for distribution licence but wasn't allowed to :-( so I kept it for myself, too bad but it's normal.

13 February 2012, 12:16	#79
Retrofan Ruler of the Universe Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Lanzarote/Spain Posts: 6,189	I'm only saying that I'm not going to buy the hardware needed to burn a kickstart I've made in my own Amiga, so if someone offers to make it and even he says he can't burn but what you'll give him, he isn't doing anything wrong IMHO.

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