amiga games and stereoscopic display - Page 2

s2325 · 17 May 2014, 03:08

It's edited screenshot. Few more examples in the Zone.

turrican3 · 17 May 2014, 14:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Not worth the trouble. "Real" 3D output would require:

D3D 11 support, previous versions didn't have stereoscopic 3D support. 3rd party programs that create 3D output from older D3D (or OpenGL) won't work because emulator output is in 2D, there is no actual 3d objects that can be "easily" converted to stereoscopic 3D.

It would also practically require extra vsync mode to sync emulator output to correct display output channel.

It could be done in the future, then ?
Winuae could be the first who can support this feature !!

turrican3 · 26 May 2014, 10:09

Ok i just bought a tv which did on the fly the conversion between 2d display and 3d display !!!
turrican in 3d before the end of the week !!!

s2325 · 26 May 2014, 10:39

3D effect should be prepared from start, conversion is weaker but still ok.

turrican3 · 26 May 2014, 10:48

i bought a lg passive 3d tv.
It seems to be better and cheaper than 3d tv with active glasses(glasses are expensives and the display is darker).
i'll tell you if the result is good.
Which game do you think should be good to test ??
Myself i think about lotus 2 and stardust tunnel stage.
And i will for sure test turrican 1 2 3.

turrican3 · 30 May 2014, 19:13

ok i did some test :
turrican : no effect
lotus : the effect is good
lionheart : the scrolling is deeper.
every game with good perspective or in 3d are improved and some like t-zero are improved too, even in game.
But it's clearly not a good reason to buy a TV 3d, what i hoped was an improvement with parallax scrolling but the 3d doesn't improve it, too bad.
nvidia 3d vision seems to work with winuae (with the last version) but you have to set the display in 1280x720 50 or 60 hz, or 1920x1080 in 24 hz.
It worked for me.

arf if only we could have remasterized amiga games in 3d, like movies !!! dreams mode off.

PS: i had to install 3dtv play too.
ps: why not a stereoscopic filter ? I'm joking.

emufan · 30 May 2014, 20:00

the idea of winuae based stereoscopic filter is really cool.
I just found [ Show youtube player ].
on its homepage, there is only the binary of this emulator, cannot find sourcecode, which could help T. Wilen

edit: source code of this snes-3d version is available

s2325 · 30 May 2014, 20:11

I think on Amiga you can not separate graphics layers.

Toni Wilen · 30 May 2014, 20:22

There are no layers. (Yes, there are, sort of but they have nothing in common with NES hardware)

Don't attempt to match totally different hardware!

EDIT: and 2d layer "3d" is stupid idea.

emufan · 30 May 2014, 20:46

so the snes emulator creates this feature on the emulated snes hardware?
i had the impression, it's "just" a post-production filter.

well, i found iZ3D, now discontinued stereoscopic driver.
latest download on 3dgeeks.
after installation i have some on-scsreen menu on my winuae window, but i cannot see the effect - maybe reading the manual could help

turrican3 · 31 May 2014, 22:58

i really think that with 2d amiga games the conversion in 3d is just a gadget.
To have a good effect the game should be written for stereoscopic display.
But i have to say that the lg 2d 3d conversion give good result with some amiga games like kidchaos and some others but often with 2d amiga games the result is near null.
it's often just a gadget but if you buy a 3d tv or a 3d monitor who did the 2d -> 3d converion natively why not use it but shouldn't be a goal or a priority not whoooah effect here.
If a filter existed it should be coded to detect scrolling and put the maximum 3d effect on it but it's not the case with usual 2d 3d algorythm.

turrican3 · 31 May 2014, 23:42

koala and combat air patrol give the best results for the moment.For those who want to test.
wings and tfx sadly give nothing.

s2325 · 01 June 2014, 00:04

Maybe try with wireframe - only few games http://hol.abime.net/hol_search.php?...e_dimension=11

turrican3 · 01 June 2014, 19:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by s2325

Maybe try with wireframe - only few games http://hol.abime.net/hol_search.php?...e_dimension=11

i will.
Question for coders :
Do you think it could be possible to code a filter who can detect paralaxes ???

Korodny · 03 June 2014, 00:16

http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-...-00055-EN.html

s2325 · 14 June 2014, 02:10

Tilted display, parallax scrolling and you have Xenon 3D

[ Show youtube player ]

s2325 · 17 August 2014, 08:22

PD game Raider 3DX by Richard Horne was designed for X-Specs glasses. Joystick must be in port 1, glasses in port 2. I don't know how to play this game, some weird space strategy.

turrican3 · 09 September 2014, 16:32

If one day, someone have time : https://github.com/tjwei/snes9x-3d ... Should be interesting.
And if it works, perhaps one day an amiga real accelerator could this in hard !

s2325 · 09 September 2014, 16:36

Someone wrote here that SNES have layers, not Amiga.

dlfrsilver · 09 September 2014, 17:27

layers on amiga are called "playfields".

30 May 2014, 19:13	#26
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	ok i did some test : turrican : no effect lotus : the effect is good lionheart : the scrolling is deeper. every game with good perspective or in 3d are improved and some like t-zero are improved too, even in game. But it's clearly not a good reason to buy a TV 3d, what i hoped was an improvement with parallax scrolling but the 3d doesn't improve it, too bad. nvidia 3d vision seems to work with winuae (with the last version) but you have to set the display in 1280x720 50 or 60 hz, or 1920x1080 in 24 hz. It worked for me. arf if only we could have remasterized amiga games in 3d, like movies !!! dreams mode off. PS: i had to install 3dtv play too. ps: why not a stereoscopic filter ? I'm joking. Last edited by turrican3; 30 May 2014 at 19:23.

30 May 2014, 20:00	#27
emufan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: #DrainTheSwamp Posts: 4,545	the idea of winuae based stereoscopic filter is really cool. I just found [ Show youtube player ]. on its homepage, there is only the binary of this emulator, cannot find sourcecode, which could help T. Wilen edit: source code of this snes-3d version is available Last edited by emufan; 30 May 2014 at 20:06.

30 May 2014, 20:22	#29
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	There are no layers. (Yes, there are, sort of but they have nothing in common with NES hardware) Don't attempt to match totally different hardware! EDIT: and 2d layer "3d" is stupid idea. Last edited by Toni Wilen; 30 May 2014 at 20:34.

31 May 2014, 22:58	#31
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	i really think that with 2d amiga games the conversion in 3d is just a gadget. To have a good effect the game should be written for stereoscopic display. But i have to say that the lg 2d 3d conversion give good result with some amiga games like kidchaos and some others but often with 2d amiga games the result is near null. it's often just a gadget but if you buy a 3d tv or a 3d monitor who did the 2d -> 3d converion natively why not use it but shouldn't be a goal or a priority not whoooah effect here. If a filter existed it should be coded to detect scrolling and put the maximum 3d effect on it but it's not the case with usual 2d 3d algorythm. Last edited by turrican3; 31 May 2014 at 23:04.

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17 May 2014, 03:08	#21
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	It's edited screenshot. Few more examples in the Zone.

26 May 2014, 10:09	#23
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	Ok i just bought a tv which did on the fly the conversion between 2d display and 3d display !!! turrican in 3d before the end of the week !!!

26 May 2014, 10:39	#24
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	3D effect should be prepared from start, conversion is weaker but still ok.

26 May 2014, 10:48	#25
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	i bought a lg passive 3d tv. It seems to be better and cheaper than 3d tv with active glasses(glasses are expensives and the display is darker). i'll tell you if the result is good. Which game do you think should be good to test ?? Myself i think about lotus 2 and stardust tunnel stage. And i will for sure test turrican 1 2 3.

30 May 2014, 20:11	#28
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	I think on Amiga you can not separate graphics layers.

30 May 2014, 20:46	#30
emufan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: #DrainTheSwamp Posts: 4,545	so the snes emulator creates this feature on the emulated snes hardware? i had the impression, it's "just" a post-production filter. well, i found iZ3D, now discontinued stereoscopic driver. latest download on 3dgeeks. after installation i have some on-scsreen menu on my winuae window, but i cannot see the effect - maybe reading the manual could help

31 May 2014, 23:42	#32
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	koala and combat air patrol give the best results for the moment.For those who want to test. wings and tfx sadly give nothing.

01 June 2014, 00:04	#33
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	Maybe try with wireframe - only few games http://hol.abime.net/hol_search.php?...e_dimension=11

03 June 2014, 00:16	#35
Korodny Zone Friend Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 812	http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-...-00055-EN.html

14 June 2014, 02:10	#36
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	Tilted display, parallax scrolling and you have Xenon 3D [ Show youtube player ]

17 August 2014, 08:22	#37
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	PD game Raider 3DX by Richard Horne was designed for X-Specs glasses. Joystick must be in port 1, glasses in port 2. I don't know how to play this game, some weird space strategy.

09 September 2014, 16:32	#38
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	If one day, someone have time : https://github.com/tjwei/snes9x-3d ... Should be interesting. And if it works, perhaps one day an amiga real accelerator could this in hard !

09 September 2014, 16:36	#39
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	Someone wrote here that SNES have layers, not Amiga.

09 September 2014, 17:27	#40
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,412	layers on amiga are called "playfields".

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