Smoke & Mirrors doesn't run under WinUAE 2.7.0

[andyhants]

Hi all

Can anyone get the Smoke & Mirrors Demo released last year by Ghosttown & Loonies to run un the latest WINUAE 2.7.0? I can run it under 2.6.1 fine once you set CPU to 68040 but cannot get it past the initial 'Steampunking & Decrunching' title screen. Really though want to get it to run on my current WINUAE 2.7. (which is running under AmiKit 1.6.7 btw).

The demo is here on Poeut:-

http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=61215

For anyone who hasn't seen it give it a go it's superb. Atmospheric humerous & with a great soundtrack.

Thanks for your help.

[thomas]

Delete Amikit and try again.

It works perfectly on 2.7.1b10 if I boot from the lha archive with no other HDD connected.

[turrican3]

i just tried with the same amikit than you and no problem, it runs perfectly.

[turrican3]

Originally Posted by andyhants

Hi all

Can anyone get the Smoke & Mirrors Demo released last year by Ghosttown & Loonies to run un the latest WINUAE 2.7.0? I can run it under 2.6.1 fine once you set CPU to 68040 but cannot get it past the initial 'Steampunking & Decrunching' title screen. Really though want to get it to run on my current WINUAE 2.7. (which is running under AmiKit 1.6.7 btw).

The demo is here on Poeut:-

http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=61215

For anyone who hasn't seen it give it a go it's superb. Atmospheric humerous & with a great soundtrack.

Thanks for your help.

If it still doesn't work you could upload your config file, i'll have a look.

[Retrofan]

Turrican it doesn't work here either; it just shows the screen andyhants says (when not complaing about lack of ram). I've tried AmiKit for Pc, AIAB and others. I tried also booting without HD and it showed me the same 'Steampunking & Decrunching' title screen.

I don't know why it runs with AmiKit to you, as I think it uses its own config, but coulnd't you post your WinUAE config, please?
Or can it be my Pc? It shows too much usage of the CPU in WinUAE.

[Mad-Matt]

Runs fine for me with various 040/060 jit/nojit configs. I cant break it!

[andyhants]

Here's my config file:-

Would be really interested to learn what the issue is especially if it's AmiKit causing the problem. Don't really understand why it should though.If anyone who is running the demo successfully under AmiKit could also post their config I would really appreciate it.

PS - Probably not related but I also get a weird bug when trying to save configs under AmiKit that no matter how many times I save separate configs it never remembers the 'Untrap = Middle Button' option under Miscellaneous. It always seems to untick the option. I always have to F12 into the config after booting and click on the option box again.

[turrican3]

try to set 68040 instead of 68020 and it should work.
can't make it works even from amigados without amikit when 68020 is set.

[Retrofan]

Yes, it works. Thanks Turrican3.

@andyhants change it to use a 040, delete the AmiKit volume and put as booting drawer the demo. After rebooting just write Smokeandmirrors

Edit: Or using 040 and booting Amikit normally, go to the demo viewing it by lister, doubleclick on SmokeandMirrors and write SmokeandMirrors. ... Although this way sometimes it runs and sometimes it complains about lack of memory.

[turrican3]

Originally Posted by Retrofan

Yes, it works. Thanks Turran.

@andyhants change it to use a 040, delete the AmiKit drawer and put as booting drawer the demo. After rebooting just write Smokeandmirrors

Or it can run it from amikit but he had to set 68040.It doesn't run from amikit for you retrofan ???
I know that amikit is setting by default 68020, i suppose it's better to leave it like it was set. Do you know which bug we could have when we set 68040 instaed of 68020 ??

[Retrofan]

No, sorry, no idea. In fact I didn't know it was set to 020.

Edit: I have to try with my Real version too.
Edit: It works also in my version if you use MorpheuZ, preferences, CPU libraries and change the CPU libraries to use 040 (and WinUAE) and make as I told as first method.

As far as I know you can't have all the CPU libraries at the same time. Well, you can, but that's not good, at least for enforcer and segtracker. You have a message like this:

"68060Lib Installation Alert. The 68060 library requires a 68060, do NOT use it on a 68040. No exceptions, no excuses, no discussion. It won't work this way."

, that's why in my version I use MorpheuZ to select which one you need, and it only leaves that one.

[turrican3]

Just take the file i linked, unzip it (you should have a drawer named "s" with a file startup-sequence inside)in the to the smoke and mirrors drawer than in the winuae gui add a hard drive (add directory or archive) and select your smoke and mirrors drawer and set bootable and boot priority to 1, keep your amikit drawer.
Then configurations, save as, save this config under the name of smoke and mirrors.
And now you can launch it (don't forget to set 68040), it shoulds work.
1st the startup-sequence will launch the setpatch. it seems to be not necessary in this case,some demos needt it.
2nd it will laun smoke and mirrors demo.
3rd it will quit winuae and you are comeback to windows.
ps: you can use it with many demos just try withour setpatch if it doesn't work just edit the startup-sequence file and put a ";" in front of the setpatch line.

i just edited your amikit config file, you just have to add the path of dh6 to the smoke and mirrors drawer but don't forget to put the s drawer with the startup-sequence inside.
ps: i can't make it easier. OT : Thank you TCD, i will think to merge my posts too.

[Toni Wilen]

Originally Posted by Retrofan

As far as I know you can't have all the CPU libraries at the same time. Well, you can, but that's not good, at least for enforcer and segtracker. You have a message like this:

You have something configured wrong. Or your 68060.library version does some tests and expects working MMU. Phase5 version of libraries at least should work fine.

"68060Lib Installation Alert. The 68060 library requires a 68060, do NOT use it on a 68040. No exceptions, no excuses, no discussion. It won't work this way."

Do you have new enough setpatch, real 68040.library and 68060.library installed? Does setpatch report "68040 support code loaded" or "68060 support code loaded" or neither?

[Retrofan]

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

You have something configured wrong. Or your 68060.library version does some tests and expects working MMU. Phase5 version of libraries at least should work fine.
Do you have new enough setpatch, real 68040.library and 68060.library installed? Does setpatch report "68040 support code loaded" or "68060 support code loaded" or neither?

I use MMULibs; Phase5 libraries are copyrighted .
That message appears if you put the 040 and 060 libraries on libs and you use enforcer and segtracker.

Setpatch is the same of AmiKit for Pc. Version doesn't work.

[Toni Wilen]

It is bug in enforcer. Enforcer web page says about v37.72:

"To help reduce problems with certain system configurations, Enforcer and MMU now try opening the 68060.library first and only if it fails does it try for the 68040.library. This is mainly for special-case development environments."

Source matches this behavior.

but for some reason latest enforcer download (37.73) tries to open 68040.library first (which causes mulib 68040.library to show that really annoying alert and then it fails library open = no harm done), then enforcer tries to open 68060.library which succeeds.

[Retrofan]

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

It is bug in enforcer. Enforcer web page says about v37.72:



Source matches this behavior.

but for some reason latest enforcer download (37.73) tries to open 68040.library first (which causes mulib 68040.library to show that really annoying alert and then it fails library open = no harm done), then enforcer tries to open 68060.library which succeeds.

Nice to know. So a bug in the debugger

Well, it doesn't harm to have there just the one you use.

Edit: I haven't tried Turrican's zip, but I think that it would be nice an script that could run other demos clicking on it, it would reboot and then it could run them. Later the OS should run normally again (I talk about the s-s).
In my 1.0 update I am deleting (by now) a couple of demos that don't run from AmiKit Real (Leon and TheMorning Trip), surely because a lack of memory as I'm not using RTG. If I could make them work that way... I think it could be done with two scripts and an S-S, help is welcomed .

Edit: It doesn't seem it is a lack of memory, but the use of CyberbugFixAga that causes graphic corruption. If I could run them from booting (I've tried with Leon) they should run right.

[turrican3]

@retrofan you think about something like that : http://aminet.net/package/game/patch/RebootStartV42.
If you need help to make this, just mp me.
I did all these stuffs years ago but it's like bicycle, you will never forget how to do it.

[Retrofan]

Thanks a lot. Yes, well I thought it would be easier than all of this. PM on the way as I've got problems (Getpath is not executable).

[andyhants]

Chaps

Many thanks for all of your replies. With these responses and the ones in the other thread I started on a similar subject here yesterday I'm starting to question whether what I am trying to do is unachievable. Namely to have a common Workbench environment where I can collect and launch my favourite Demos from several years without reconfiguring / rebooting each time I want to run each one. So I have a Drawer per release year for Demos (2013, 2012 etc) open that & have say my top 10-20 in there to click & run as icons. I want to use the Amikit WINUAE setup for this for recent years (say post 1997ish) but then also have A500 & A1200 WiNUAE configs for OCS/ECS adf based demos too.

Do you think that is do-able? Clearly the older A500/A1200 ADF configs are easy to do but would particularly appreciate your views on the Amikit-based option for collating & running more recent downloadable exe Demos in a single common WB environment ?

Thanks again

Andy

[Retrofan]

I think that should be doable, but a complete Demos-Launcher program should be made for that. For what I've seen the Demos are the more difficult task to run, as they like to run from booting and sometimes -like this- they need a better CPU.

In my AK Real version I will try now with a program like Turrican's one for some difficult demos, but I will try to run them one after the other.