Matt Chat - Page 3

Graham Humphrey · 19 June 2011, 00:37

Definitely, they were on the Amiga. I think they released games to a consistently high standard that very few could match.

laffer · 19 June 2011, 04:08

I would agree they were among the best of the various Amiga developers out there back in the day... not sure I played a lot of their C64 stuff, if I did I was too young to know who were behind the games I was playing.

Sensi · 19 June 2011, 11:12

They are definitely among the bestest devs in Amiga history.

Many years ago I created few threads about Amiga developers, check this (Round 1) and this (Round 2) and this (FINAL).

Damn, I love polls. Zetr0?

Adropac2 · 19 June 2011, 18:54

I think i may have misunderstood Cannon Fodder at the time. Despite my really trying to get on with the game, to me it seemed a bit random. War is i guess and so i would probably need to embrace that mechanic before i could enjoy the game. I used to load this in just for the recruitment music screen- both versions had excellent songs here

Sensi is the most obvious that people point to and it's an excellent game, just not as good as KO2- a minority opinion i'm sure but Sensi lacks the more subtle interaction between ball and player. Sensi has it's own depth there and is actually probably a better representation of the sport than KO2, but it's restricting in other ways regards to those found better in KO2. Sensi is tighter and perhaps more intuitive

Wizball though borders on genius i think, though it can be a little frustrating

Great company well deserving of the praise it recieved- more so than Team 7 in fact- and unlike most of Team 17 games, their games had both loads of polish and more finely crafted gamepay

gilgamesh · 20 June 2011, 10:58

Replenishment is on the way

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Amiga = everybody was happy

cv643d · 22 June 2011, 11:27

If Cannon Fodder was a COD style dev game with a 250 large crew it would have been possible to finish the game, now it is ur typical Amiga game, fun in the beginning, impossible in the middle and unplayable in the end because of difficult level.

dlfrsilver · 22 June 2011, 12:27

Impossible when you don't know HOW

! Each map has been tested, and can be finished. It's up to you to find how to deal with it.

gimbal · 22 June 2011, 13:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

Impossible when you don't know HOW

! Each map has been tested, and can be finished. It's up to you to find how to deal with it.

With plenty of skill involved because it IS a hard game.

Just the way it should be! What fun is a game that poses no challenge?

Mad-Matt · 22 June 2011, 13:22

Might be a good place to link to a CF2 guide here :-
http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/cf2/cf2.htm

Its got a few tidbits of life at sensible in the guide.

Graham Humphrey · 22 June 2011, 19:46

I completed Cannon Fodder when I was ten... nothing very impossible about it. The later levels are very tricky but extremely well designed.

gilgamesh · 09 July 2011, 11:29

The teasing is over. Matt has resurfaced, and brought is part 3 with him

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mattbarton.exe · 09 July 2011, 19:27

Hehe, yeah, back from Bogota!

You can really see how much love Jon has for the Amiga here. I guess it's too bad they didn't jump on the DOS bandwagon earlier, though. There must have been a lot of devs that got burned along with Commodore back in the day.

Bloodwych · 09 July 2011, 21:26

Part 3 was great too - thanks Matt!

Did I hear right - Jon mentions at 17.50 that the Atari ST - aka "door wedge" - was known for having the better sound chip "and not much else".

I hope he was just referring to the midi ports being its main purpose! As we all know, its sound was average at best, one of the worst sound chips for 16bit, but the chip tunes were fun to listen to.

Skope · 09 July 2011, 22:23

Must say I really enjoy hearing John Hare talk. His passion for what he does really shines through. And he's a pretty funny guy. Another nice Matt Chat!

mattbarton.exe · 10 July 2011, 16:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloodwych

Part 3 was great too - thanks Matt!

Did I hear right - Jon mentions at 17.50 that the Atari ST - aka "door wedge" - was known for having the better sound chip "and not much else".

I hope he was just referring to the midi ports being its main purpose! As we all know, its sound was average at best, one of the worst sound chips for 16bit, but the chip tunes were fun to listen to.

That's what I thought, too. I do know for a fact that Tangerine Dream (Galway's favorite band at the time) used the Atari ST extensively. Here's an article about it:

http://www.atarimagazines.com/startv...rinedream.html

cosmicfrog · 10 July 2011, 17:52

Great videos with jon, nice you had a holiday/life changeing experiance,

looking foward 2 next weekend

Lorfarius · 10 July 2011, 21:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloodwych

Part 3 was great too - thanks Matt!

Did I hear right - Jon mentions at 17.50 that the Atari ST - aka "door wedge" - was known for having the better sound chip "and not much else".

I hope he was just referring to the midi ports being its main purpose! As we all know, its sound was average at best, one of the worst sound chips for 16bit, but the chip tunes were fun to listen to.

I can recall people saying back in the day how amazing a system it was for sound, might have been untrue but seemed to be the popular view at the time.

Bloodwych · 10 July 2011, 22:16

That's what he probably meant Matt (thanks for the link, interesting read) and Lorfarius. Rather than the sound chip itself being better, he probably meant the MIDI ports and music production.

With the subject at the time being games however, just made it sound like he thought the ST had better in-game sound.

I myself had a keyboard hooked up to an ST before I sold it for an A500. It was indeed great for music!

ppill · 10 July 2011, 22:49

Atari had Cubase... that's pretty much your whole advantage there.

The Amiga had a fair share of great midi software but Cuebase was always regarded as the go-to tool for pros.

And Atari falcon had a bulit-in DSP chip.

desiv · 11 July 2011, 17:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattbarton.exe

You can really see how much love Jon has for the Amiga here. I guess it's too bad they didn't jump on the DOS bandwagon earlier, though. There must have been a lot of devs that got burned along with Commodore back in the day.

Yeah, sad but true there.. Business wise, it probably would have made sense to jump on the PC platform (DOS/Win) quicker than they did... <sigh>

I seem to remember some people (Kiki?) from Newtek saying that was a huge point of discussion there at the time too... That they should have moved away from the Amiga sooner. Although that's tougher to do with a hardware/software packing like the Toaster..

Great interviews Matt!! Thanx,

desiv

09 July 2011, 21:26	#53
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Part 3 was great too - thanks Matt! Did I hear right - Jon mentions at 17.50 that the Atari ST - aka "door wedge" - was known for having the better sound chip "and not much else". I hope he was just referring to the midi ports being its main purpose! As we all know, its sound was average at best, one of the worst sound chips for 16bit, but the chip tunes were fun to listen to. Last edited by Bloodwych; 09 July 2011 at 21:36.

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19 June 2011, 00:37	#41
Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 37 Posts: 11,167	Definitely, they were on the Amiga. I think they released games to a consistently high standard that very few could match.

19 June 2011, 04:08	#42
laffer Zone Friend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Norway Age: 43 Posts: 1,335	I would agree they were among the best of the various Amiga developers out there back in the day... not sure I played a lot of their C64 stuff, if I did I was too young to know who were behind the games I was playing.

19 June 2011, 11:12	#43
Sensi Unregistered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 1,643	They are definitely among the bestest devs in Amiga history. Many years ago I created few threads about Amiga developers, check this (Round 1) and this (Round 2) and this (FINAL). Damn, I love polls. Zetr0?

19 June 2011, 18:54	#44
Adropac2 Zone Friend Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Age: 51 Posts: 1,061	I think i may have misunderstood Cannon Fodder at the time. Despite my really trying to get on with the game, to me it seemed a bit random. War is i guess and so i would probably need to embrace that mechanic before i could enjoy the game. I used to load this in just for the recruitment music screen- both versions had excellent songs here Sensi is the most obvious that people point to and it's an excellent game, just not as good as KO2- a minority opinion i'm sure but Sensi lacks the more subtle interaction between ball and player. Sensi has it's own depth there and is actually probably a better representation of the sport than KO2, but it's restricting in other ways regards to those found better in KO2. Sensi is tighter and perhaps more intuitive Wizball though borders on genius i think, though it can be a little frustrating Great company well deserving of the praise it recieved- more so than Team 7 in fact- and unlike most of Team 17 games, their games had both loads of polish and more finely crafted gamepay

20 June 2011, 10:58	#45
gilgamesh Linux snob Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Monkey Island Posts: 997	Replenishment is on the way [ Show youtube player ] Amiga = everybody was happy

22 June 2011, 11:27	#46
cv643d Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 762	If Cannon Fodder was a COD style dev game with a 250 large crew it would have been possible to finish the game, now it is ur typical Amiga game, fun in the beginning, impossible in the middle and unplayable in the end because of difficult level.

22 June 2011, 12:27	#47
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,424	Impossible when you don't know HOW ! Each map has been tested, and can be finished. It's up to you to find how to deal with it.

22 June 2011, 13:22	#49
Mad-Matt Longplayer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lincoln / UK Age: 44 Posts: 1,849	Might be a good place to link to a CF2 guide here :- http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/cf2/cf2.htm Its got a few tidbits of life at sensible in the guide.

22 June 2011, 19:46	#50
Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 37 Posts: 11,167	I completed Cannon Fodder when I was ten... nothing very impossible about it. The later levels are very tricky but extremely well designed.

09 July 2011, 11:29	#51
gilgamesh Linux snob Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Monkey Island Posts: 997	The teasing is over. Matt has resurfaced, and brought is part 3 with him [ Show youtube player ]

09 July 2011, 19:27	#52
mattbarton.exe Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: St Cloud, MN/USA Posts: 328	Hehe, yeah, back from Bogota! You can really see how much love Jon has for the Amiga here. I guess it's too bad they didn't jump on the DOS bandwagon earlier, though. There must have been a lot of devs that got burned along with Commodore back in the day.

09 July 2011, 22:23	#54
Skope Protracker Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: 8364 Posts: 381	Must say I really enjoy hearing John Hare talk. His passion for what he does really shines through. And he's a pretty funny guy. Another nice Matt Chat!

10 July 2011, 17:52	#56
cosmicfrog The 1 who ribbits Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: leek, Staffs, UK Age: 56 Posts: 3,557	Great videos with jon, nice you had a holiday/life changeing experiance, looking foward 2 next weekend

10 July 2011, 22:16	#58
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	That's what he probably meant Matt (thanks for the link, interesting read) and Lorfarius. Rather than the sound chip itself being better, he probably meant the MIDI ports and music production. With the subject at the time being games however, just made it sound like he thought the ST had better in-game sound. I myself had a keyboard hooked up to an ST before I sold it for an A500. It was indeed great for music!

10 July 2011, 22:49	#59
ppill CON: artist Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Poland Age: 43 Posts: 1,250	Atari had Cubase... that's pretty much your whole advantage there. The Amiga had a fair share of great midi software but Cuebase was always regarded as the go-to tool for pros. And Atari falcon had a bulit-in DSP chip.

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