Very Surprising Guru with Cubic IDE

tygre · 18 March 2020, 04:35

Hi all!

I'm a very happy user of Cubic IDE and have been happily coding with it for a couple of years now

However, early on I noticed a Guru but never got to study and duplicate it... until now... thanks COVID-19

The Guru arrives only when I minimise the main window as small as possible and then try to expand it again (using either the zoom or the sizing gadget). I actually took some photos and made a video showing clearly (?) the steps to reproduce the Guru. The photos are below... I can share the video if needed?

The Guru happens on my Amiga 1200 with Blizzard 1260 with or without patches. Actually, I took the photos and video booting without Startup-Sequence and using the script below to start Cubic IDE:

Code:

;BEGIN General
    FailAt 21
    Makedir >NIL: RAM:ENV
    Assign  >NIL: ENV: RAM:ENV
    Makedir >NIL: RAM:T
    Assign  >NIL: T: RAM:T
    C:AddDataTypes REFRESH
;END General

;BEGIN cubic
    Assign >NIL: Cubic:   "Utilitaires:Développement/Cubic IDE"
    Assign >NIL: GoldEd:  Cubic:ide/editor
    Assign >NIL: C:       Cubic:ide/etc/c     ADD
    Assign >NIL: Libs:    Cubic:ide/etc/libs  ADD
    Assign >NIL: Fonts:   Cubic:ide/etc/fonts ADD
    Mount >NIL: PipeCON: FROM Cubic:ide/etc/devs/mountlist QUIET
;END cubic
 
;BEGIN devkits
    Assign  >NIL:  DevKits: Cubic:ide/devkits
    Execute <>NIL: DevKits:scripts/user-startup
;END devkits

;BEGIN basic
    Assign Libs: "GoldEd:add-ons/basic/interpreter/libs" ADD
    Assign C:    "GoldEd:add-ons/basic/interpreter/c"    ADD
;END basic

;BEGIN pgp
    Assign PGP: "Utilitaires:Développement/Cubic IDE/ide/editor/add-ons/pgp/pgp51i"
    Assign C:   PGP:C ADD
;END pgp

;BEGIN joyce
    Assign ISpell: GoldEd:add-ons/joyce/ispell
;END joyce

;BEGIN vbcc
    DevKits:tools/ccselect/bin/ccselect vbcc quick
;END vbcc

;BEGIN gcc
    ; Not installed
    ; DevKits:tools/ccselect/bin/ccselect gcc quick
;END gcc

Assign >NIL: Workspace: Travail:Programmation/C/

CD Cubic:
"Cubic IDE" SESSION=GoldEd:etc/sessions/default.session

Is is just me visited by this Guru? Could I try something to get rid of it?

Cheers!

tygre · 18 March 2020, 16:57

PS. Just to precise that the fourth photo shows Cubic IDE minimised to its minimum size. From this size, any resizing (zoom or sizing gadget) causes the Guru (shown in the photos 5 and 6).

daxb · 18 March 2020, 18:15

Does Enforcer/MuForce and/or MungWall/MuGuardianAngel say something?

Hedeon · 18 March 2020, 18:36

could not reproduce it.

jPV · 18 March 2020, 19:28

I can't reproduce it under MorphOS at least... I tried even with Wipeout, but no hits in the log and seems to work cleanly in all ways.

Which version are you running? I have 8.10...

tygre · 19 March 2020, 18:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by jPV

I can't reproduce it under MorphOS at least... I tried even with Wipeout, but no hits in the log and seems to work cleanly in all ways.

Which version are you running? I have 8.10...

Hi all!

Yes, I also have 8.10 AFAIK... Here is a video showing how I get a visit from the Guru

[ Show youtube player ]

Any idea of what I could try to prevent this Guru?

Cheers!

tolkien · 19 March 2020, 19:04

Damn! I use original CubicIDE since 6/7 years ago and didnt notice it but also fails in my Amiga1200 b1260 aos 3.1.4.

In my MorphOS setup works nice :/

tygre · 19 March 2020, 20:14

Hi Tolkien and thank you!

Quote:

Originally Posted by tolkien

Damn! I use original CubicIDE since 6/7 years ago and didnt notice it bit also fails in my Amiga1200 b1260 años 3.1.4.

In my MorphOS setup works nice :/

So now I know that it's not "me"

and that's a problem with the Amia version, possibly related to having a Blizzard 1260? Anyone else has this Guru with a 1260?

Cheers!

phx · 19 March 2020, 20:53

Your first screenshot showed an Exception #3 (address error), but in the video I see an Exception #61 ($8000003D). As you are running on 68060 this could be an unimplemented integer instruction. Which is strange, as that shouldn't happen when the emulation through 68060.library is present. Or did you boot without it?

phx · 19 March 2020, 20:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by tygre

Actually, I took the photos and video booting without Startup-Sequence

Ahh... I missed that! That explains it. Never do that with an 68060, if you want to execute 020+ code. Maybe try the 68000-version of CubicIDE instead.

daxb · 20 March 2020, 00:20

I thought that he also get the guru after a normal boot to WB. So 68060.library should be active.

tygre · 21 March 2020, 20:53

Hi phx and daxb!

AFAIK, I'm using the "default" version of Cubic IDE, which should be for 68000... so it would not matter whether the 68060.library is active or not?

BTW, how could I activate it manually? I got the Guru booting with/without Startup-Sequence but I could test with/without the 68060.library being active

Cheers!

phx · 21 March 2020, 22:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by tygre

AFAIK, I'm using the "default" version of Cubic IDE, which should be for 68000...

Hmm. Then maybe there is an 68000 instruction which the 060 has to emulate? I do not remember.

Quote:

BTW, how could I activate it manually? I got the Guru booting with/without Startup-Sequence but I could test with/without the 68060.library being active

Back in the days we had "loadlib" to pre-load ppc.library, so we could launch ELF execucatables. It just has to open the library. Maybe it's this one:
http://aminet.net/package/util/cli/LoadLib10

meynaf · 22 March 2020, 07:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by phx

Hmm. Then maybe there is an 68000 instruction which the 060 has to emulate? I do not remember.

There is one and it is MOVEP.

tygre · 22 May 2020, 04:00

Hi Phx and Meynaf!

Thanks for your replies: is there something that I could try to see if MOVEP could be the cause of the problem? BTW, would you know of anyone from Cubic IDE (Software and Circuits) on this forum?

Cheers!

phx · 22 May 2020, 12:33

It might also be that the crash instruction is random, because a bug trashes memory or the stack. At this point I would follow daxb's early advice to test CubicIDE with Enforcer/MuForce. It will hopefully show the problem as early as possible and, most important, report the exact crash location, which you can analyze with a disassembler.

tygre · 22 May 2020, 17:24

Hi Phx!

Oh, yes, sorry, I forgot to mention that I have Enforcer running at all time but it doesn't show anything when Cubic IDE crashes (because either nothing to see or the crash occurs "faster").

tygre · 04 June 2020, 15:22

Hi all!

After more tests and the support from Dietmar (author of Cubic IDE), it seems that the problem comes from my particular configuration

We tried:
- A1200 + ACA 1230 + Same Workbench
- A600 + Vampire + Different Workbench
- WinUAE as '060 + Yet another Workbench
and the problem appears only with my particular "blend" of A1200 + Blizzard 1260 + Workbench...

So, Cubic IDE is working great and I have to find which hardware/software is causing problem on my config.

Cheers!

19 March 2020, 19:04	#7
tolkien AmigaMan Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Castro Urdiales/Spain Posts: 761	Damn! I use original CubicIDE since 6/7 years ago and didnt notice it but also fails in my Amiga1200 b1260 aos 3.1.4. In my MorphOS setup works nice :/ Last edited by tolkien; 19 March 2020 at 20:24.

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18 March 2020, 16:57	#2
tygre Returning fan! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Montréal, QC, Canada Posts: 1,434	PS. Just to precise that the fourth photo shows Cubic IDE minimised to its minimum size. From this size, any resizing (zoom or sizing gadget) causes the Guru (shown in the photos 5 and 6).

18 March 2020, 18:15	#3
daxb Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 3,304	Does Enforcer/MuForce and/or MungWall/MuGuardianAngel say something?

18 March 2020, 18:36	#4
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 2,002	could not reproduce it.

18 March 2020, 19:28	#5
jPV Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: RNO Posts: 1,007	I can't reproduce it under MorphOS at least... I tried even with Wipeout, but no hits in the log and seems to work cleanly in all ways. Which version are you running? I have 8.10...

19 March 2020, 20:53	#9
phx Natteravn Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Herford / Germany Posts: 2,500	Your first screenshot showed an Exception #3 (address error), but in the video I see an Exception #61 ($8000003D). As you are running on 68060 this could be an unimplemented integer instruction. Which is strange, as that shouldn't happen when the emulation through 68060.library is present. Or did you boot without it?

20 March 2020, 00:20	#11
daxb Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 3,304	I thought that he also get the guru after a normal boot to WB. So 68060.library should be active.

21 March 2020, 20:53	#12
tygre Returning fan! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Montréal, QC, Canada Posts: 1,434	Hi phx and daxb! AFAIK, I'm using the "default" version of Cubic IDE, which should be for 68000... so it would not matter whether the 68060.library is active or not? BTW, how could I activate it manually? I got the Guru booting with/without Startup-Sequence but I could test with/without the 68060.library being active Cheers!

22 May 2020, 04:00	#15
tygre Returning fan! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Montréal, QC, Canada Posts: 1,434	Hi Phx and Meynaf! Thanks for your replies: is there something that I could try to see if MOVEP could be the cause of the problem? BTW, would you know of anyone from Cubic IDE (Software and Circuits) on this forum? Cheers!

22 May 2020, 12:33	#16
phx Natteravn Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Herford / Germany Posts: 2,500	It might also be that the crash instruction is random, because a bug trashes memory or the stack. At this point I would follow daxb's early advice to test CubicIDE with Enforcer/MuForce. It will hopefully show the problem as early as possible and, most important, report the exact crash location, which you can analyze with a disassembler.

22 May 2020, 17:24	#17
tygre Returning fan! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Montréal, QC, Canada Posts: 1,434	Hi Phx! Oh, yes, sorry, I forgot to mention that I have Enforcer running at all time but it doesn't show anything when Cubic IDE crashes (because either nothing to see or the crash occurs "faster").

04 June 2020, 15:22	#18
tygre Returning fan! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Montréal, QC, Canada Posts: 1,434	Hi all! After more tests and the support from Dietmar (author of Cubic IDE), it seems that the problem comes from my particular configuration We tried: - A1200 + ACA 1230 + Same Workbench - A600 + Vampire + Different Workbench - WinUAE as '060 + Yet another Workbench and the problem appears only with my particular "blend" of A1200 + Blizzard 1260 + Workbench... So, Cubic IDE is working great and I have to find which hardware/software is causing problem on my config. Cheers!

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