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Peter · 23 October 2011, 17:27

Another question.... can you expect faster speed from the 2.5 IDE port on the MKIV ATA Board or are the faster speeds only achieved when using the two 3.5 IDE ports?

Is it the case that the smaller IDE port just behaves in the same way "speed wise" as the Amiga's 2.5 Native Mother Board IDE port?

Any info welcome.... hope my question is clear.

roy bates · 23 October 2011, 17:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter

Another question.... can you expect faster speed from the 2.5 IDE port on the MKIV ATA Board or are the faster speeds only achieved when using the two 3.5 IDE ports?

Is it the case that the smaller IDE port just behaves in the same way "speed wise" as the Amiga's 2.5 Native Mother Board IDE port?

Any info welcome.... hope my question is clear.

yes peter,the 2.5 inch drives speedup,but you loose the ability to use the 1st 3.5 inch port.

roy.

Peter · 26 October 2011, 13:45

@ roy bates or Amigakit ... if you are booting from a device connected to the 2.5 port on the Fast ATA MKIV doesn't the speed just remain the same as the standard Amiga native IDE ?

I have a CF Card in my A1200 which is obviously connected via an adaptor that plugs into the Amiga IDE - this give slow/average speed - This CF Card contains the System boot partition.

If I install a Fast ATA MKIV in this A1200 and then plug the CF Card adaptor into the 2.5 port of the Fast ATA I will still be booting from this CF Card System partition but it will just be going through the Fast ATA Controller rather than the Native Amiga IDE... I'm pretty sure that I wont see any difference in speed on the connected CF Card because your boot device has to stay at the speed that the Amiga recognises in order to boot... (PIO 0 ??)

I don't know this for sure - can any one confirm?

If it's true what I say then it's pretty pointless buying a Fast ATA if you only have one IDE Hard Drive or CF Card device in your set up - because you have to boot from this one and only IDE device it will have to remain at the same original speed in order for the Amiga to boot.

If you are thinking of adding more IDE Devices, CD ROM, additional Hard Drives etc. then I guess you would benefit from the increase in speed the Fast ATA MKIV offers on the additional IDE ports.

I'd really welcome some more info on this and perhaps confirmation as to whether I am talking total rubbish...

roy bates · 26 October 2011, 14:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter

@ roy bates or Amigakit ... if you are booting from a device connected to the 2.5 port on the Fast ATA MKIV doesn't the speed just remain the same as the standard Amiga native IDE ?

I have a CF Card in my A1200 which is obviously connected via an adaptor that plugs into the Amiga IDE - this give slow/average speed - This CF Card contains the System boot partition.

If I install a Fast ATA MKIV in this A1200 and then plug the CF Card adaptor into the 2.5 port of the Fast ATA I will still be booting from this CF Card System partition but it will just be going through the Fast ATA Controller rather than the Native Amiga IDE... I'm pretty sure that I wont see any difference in speed on the connected CF Card because your boot device has to stay at the speed that the Amiga recognises in order to boot... (PIO 0 ??)

I don't know this for sure - can any one confirm?

If it's true what I say then it's pretty pointless buying a Fast ATA if you only have one IDE Hard Drive or CF Card device in your set up - because you have to boot from this one and only IDE device it will have to remain at the same original speed in order for the Amiga to boot.

If you are thinking of adding more IDE Devices, CD ROM, additional Hard Drives etc. then I guess you would benefit from the increase in speed the Fast ATA MKIV offers on the additional IDE ports.

I'd really welcome some more info on this and perhaps confirmation as to whether I am talking total rubbish...

no mate the 2.5 device on the fastata will be sped up as well.
and you wont be able to use the amigas native port or the first 3.5 inch connector on the fastata.if you have a 2.5 inch device plugged into the 2.5 inch port on the fastata.

hope this helps roy.

FOL · 26 October 2011, 14:12

Its also fixed for larger drives.
Amigakit is booting off a 1TB SATA Drive.

roy bates · 26 October 2011, 14:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOL

Its also fixed for larger drives.
Amigakit is booting off a 1TB SATA Drive.

hi fol whats the max drive this supports,1TB is massive.

roy.

FOL · 26 October 2011, 14:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by roy bates

hi fol whats the max drive this supports,1TB is massive.

roy.

Not sure, but Im sure you could push it past 1TB.

roy bates · 26 October 2011, 14:31

cheers fol.

fitzsteve · 26 October 2011, 14:51

Hi Peter,

The 2.5in (44way port) on the FastATA is also running at the same speed as the FastATA controller, for example in my A1200D I use a 44way CF-IDE adapter and get around 6mb/sec

All the best,

Steve.

Peter · 26 October 2011, 15:06

Cheers all for the info - going to do some tests when time permits...

Nice to have one of these back in my set up to play around with.

THANKS AMIGAKIT - it arrived this morning - well packed and quickly sent!!

amigakit.com · 26 October 2011, 15:13

Many thanks for the order Peter!

@FOL

I am booting off a 2TB drive on my Amiga 1200.

fitzsteve · 26 October 2011, 15:17

@Amigakit

Did you ever get a chance to do any benchmarks under OS4.1 Classic?

I'm still tempted to buy one if they are faster than SATA/PCI cards

Steve.

FOL · 26 October 2011, 15:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by amigakit.com

Many thanks for the order Peter!

@FOL

I am booting off a 2TB drive on my Amiga 1200.

I knew it was 1 or 2, stuck to safe side,

.

amigakit.com · 26 October 2011, 15:58

@fitzsteve

Now that I am back from Amiwest, Ill revisit your request before we start preparing for the Replay Expo 2011 Show in Blackpool.

johnim · 26 October 2011, 16:25

hi amigakit.com

what will you be having on your tables

amigakit.com · 26 October 2011, 17:04

Any suggestions are most welcome.

We were thinking of selling: Competition Pro Amiga and USB joysticks, Amiga Forever 2012, C64 Forever 2012, Boing Ball Mice & Keyboards, FastATA 1200 and 4000, Indivision ECS, Keyrah, Cocolino etc.

amiga92570 · 27 October 2011, 02:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schoenfeld

The Elbox FastATA will not fit with Indivision AGA or Indivision AGA MK2. I have severe trouble downsizing my IDE-fix SATA concept, so it will at least fit with Indivision AGA MK2.

Jens

I am using Fast ATA MK-III and Indivision together with PC-key adapter. Never had a problem.

amiga92570 · 27 October 2011, 02:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schoenfeld

The Elbox FastATA will not fit with Indivision AGA or Indivision AGA MK2. I have severe trouble downsizing my IDE-fix SATA concept, so it will at least fit with Indivision AGA MK2.

Jens

I like the Fast ATA.

AmigaDave · 28 October 2011, 09:52

I just bought one of these during the AmiWest 2011 Show (actually, I think it was the only FastATA 1200 that Matthew brought with him to the show).

Am I reading this thread correctly that it will not fit inside my stock A1200 case with an IndivisionAGA installed?

That is a problem I wish I knew about before buying it.

FOL · 28 October 2011, 10:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmigaDave

I just bought one of these during the AmiWest 2011 Show (actually, I think it was the only FastATA 1200 that Matthew brought with him to the show).

Am I reading this thread correctly that it will not fit inside my stock A1200 case with an IndivisionAGA installed?

That is a problem I wish I knew about before buying it.

It will fit, you just need to rise the rom sockets.

26 October 2011, 13:45	#23
Peter Still an Amiga user Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kent Age: 55 Posts: 2,715	@ roy bates or Amigakit ... if you are booting from a device connected to the 2.5 port on the Fast ATA MKIV doesn't the speed just remain the same as the standard Amiga native IDE ? I have a CF Card in my A1200 which is obviously connected via an adaptor that plugs into the Amiga IDE - this give slow/average speed - This CF Card contains the System boot partition. If I install a Fast ATA MKIV in this A1200 and then plug the CF Card adaptor into the 2.5 port of the Fast ATA I will still be booting from this CF Card System partition but it will just be going through the Fast ATA Controller rather than the Native Amiga IDE... I'm pretty sure that I wont see any difference in speed on the connected CF Card because your boot device has to stay at the speed that the Amiga recognises in order to boot... (PIO 0 ??) I don't know this for sure - can any one confirm? If it's true what I say then it's pretty pointless buying a Fast ATA if you only have one IDE Hard Drive or CF Card device in your set up - because you have to boot from this one and only IDE device it will have to remain at the same original speed in order for the Amiga to boot. If you are thinking of adding more IDE Devices, CD ROM, additional Hard Drives etc. then I guess you would benefit from the increase in speed the Fast ATA MKIV offers on the additional IDE ports. I'd really welcome some more info on this and perhaps confirmation as to whether I am talking total rubbish... Last edited by Peter; 26 October 2011 at 13:51.

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23 October 2011, 17:27	#21
Peter Still an Amiga user Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kent Age: 55 Posts: 2,715	Another question.... can you expect faster speed from the 2.5 IDE port on the MKIV ATA Board or are the faster speeds only achieved when using the two 3.5 IDE ports? Is it the case that the smaller IDE port just behaves in the same way "speed wise" as the Amiga's 2.5 Native Mother Board IDE port? Any info welcome.... hope my question is clear.

26 October 2011, 14:12	#25
FOL PSPUAE DEV Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Wales / UK Age: 45 Posts: 5,999	Its also fixed for larger drives. Amigakit is booting off a 1TB SATA Drive.

26 October 2011, 14:31	#28
roy bates Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: birmingham Age: 55 Posts: 2,827	cheers fol.

26 October 2011, 14:51	#29
fitzsteve Professional slacker! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kent, UK Age: 44 Posts: 6,683	Hi Peter, The 2.5in (44way port) on the FastATA is also running at the same speed as the FastATA controller, for example in my A1200D I use a 44way CF-IDE adapter and get around 6mb/sec All the best, Steve.

26 October 2011, 15:06	#30
Peter Still an Amiga user Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kent Age: 55 Posts: 2,715	Cheers all for the info - going to do some tests when time permits... Nice to have one of these back in my set up to play around with. THANKS AMIGAKIT - it arrived this morning - well packed and quickly sent!!

26 October 2011, 15:13	#31
amigakit.com Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: www.amigakit.com Posts: 2,015	Many thanks for the order Peter! @FOL I am booting off a 2TB drive on my Amiga 1200.

26 October 2011, 15:17	#32
fitzsteve Professional slacker! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kent, UK Age: 44 Posts: 6,683	@Amigakit Did you ever get a chance to do any benchmarks under OS4.1 Classic? I'm still tempted to buy one if they are faster than SATA/PCI cards Steve.

26 October 2011, 15:58	#34
amigakit.com Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: www.amigakit.com Posts: 2,015	@fitzsteve Now that I am back from Amiwest, Ill revisit your request before we start preparing for the Replay Expo 2011 Show in Blackpool.

26 October 2011, 16:25	#35
johnim Amibay Mod/Staff Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: birmingham uk Age: 48 Posts: 1,019	hi amigakit.com what will you be having on your tables

26 October 2011, 17:04	#36
amigakit.com Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: www.amigakit.com Posts: 2,015	Any suggestions are most welcome. We were thinking of selling: Competition Pro Amiga and USB joysticks, Amiga Forever 2012, C64 Forever 2012, Boing Ball Mice & Keyboards, FastATA 1200 and 4000, Indivision ECS, Keyrah, Cocolino etc.

28 October 2011, 09:52	#39
AmigaDave Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California/USA Posts: 112	I just bought one of these during the AmiWest 2011 Show (actually, I think it was the only FastATA 1200 that Matthew brought with him to the show). Am I reading this thread correctly that it will not fit inside my stock A1200 case with an IndivisionAGA installed? That is a problem I wish I knew about before buying it.

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