An Amiga site with almost every Amiga game (adfs and cds). Good idea/project?

Ironclaw · 09 April 2006, 15:46

Hi, What would you say about an Amiga site that hosts almost every Amiga game there is?, both floppy and cdtv/cd32?

It's not impossible and could be done by me and Hipoonios. We could get the fastest broadband available where we live and could get lots of 200+gig harddrives.

But... would this be totally illegal??? Would we get in trouble???

There's already alot of sites on the web with amiga games, and they have been running for years.... so my guess is that it shouldn't be any problems. But still want to know before anything is done. I know that some games are still being sold, and those games would of course not be on the site.

This would be the super duper, ultimate Amiga game download site.

quahappy · 09 April 2006, 15:56

That is a fantastic idea Ironclaw and one that has my 100% backing!!!

Obviously I can understand it would take a reasonable amount of time to get a site with ALL forms of Amiga files on it. I know a lot of people frown upon it, but how about advertisements as well to generate income to help pay for all the equipment you need?

As for getting into trouble?..........naaaaaah!

Go for it!!!!!

Adderly · 09 April 2006, 15:59

I like the idea, would be a great thing to have a site with all the goodies! After the problems of some eab members with their ftp's i foresee some legal issues, but dunno about the swedish law. It would be too bad if you are forced to close down the site just because you have a single, still copyrighted, adf online...

quahappy · 09 April 2006, 16:15

That's the only annoying thing Adderly, near enough everyday i'm downloading ADF/HDF or others of some sorts from various sites and getting rather frustrated with half of them going down from day to day. Planetemu is about the only one i've never had any trouble with. Amiga Power is playing up. Ancient Toys is sometimes veeery slow. Amiga World of Classics is rather limited. As for the classic Back 2 Roots....

At the end of the day, it all boils down to time and money and commitment. Adverts really is the only source of income these days or even subscriptions (which do put people off unfortuantely) but I would be willing to subscribe to, if I knew I could download anything Amiga-wise.

I'd still say go for it and prove to all the existing sites it can be done!!

I want to see the Amiga emu scene live on forever!!!

BippyM · 09 April 2006, 18:01

I think you'd be closed down pretty quickly tbh.. but it is a good idea and I support it totally and will help "stock" it up :P

Marcuz · 09 April 2006, 20:06

i don't think it's neither a good or a bad idea: the storage of amiga disks is per se a good thingh and the availability also; but there are already tons of sites with a large bunch of stuff; the things that still are not accomplished by none are about the completeness of the chosen formats.
for instance: planetemu has a fairly incomplete tosec archive wich being pretty old both defects many disks and has a big number of uncorrect dumps in. also, is the strain of assembling and puttin together the unending copies of [a] disks in a tosec archive commendable in face of setting up yet another "has it all" archive?
on the other hand there are sites that don't go along the tosec format that simply host a selected number of classics, i think for insatance to Amiga Island; this one create further problems to tosec renamers, because of CRC not recognised (at least some time ago, i'm not that up to date) but you could host instead a selection of tosec games. if you would do so there would be little point however on such a site.
my suggestion would be to at least wait for some months and see if the the various renamers here and on tosec get out with new dats wich would allow you to skip the duplicates or else go for host a gamebase amiga set.

Ironclaw · 09 April 2006, 20:11

Planetemu doesn't have any amiga cd/cdtv/cd32 titles...only floppies and some on hdfs.... we would have them all.

Mick_AKA · 09 April 2006, 21:08

It's an excellent idea but putting it up as a site in the public domain is just too dodgy, I dont think you would last a few weeks before you were shut down

Marcuz · 10 April 2006, 00:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ironclaw

Planetemu doesn't have any amiga cd/cdtv/cd32 titles...only floppies and some on hdfs.... we would have them all.

that's right, but my 2 cents is not to waste time on floppies right now

Olecranon · 10 April 2006, 03:05

Heck, I'd love a site where I could get all the old applications in addition to games. It blows my mind that its harder to find stuff now, than it was 15 years ago.

gizmomelb · 10 April 2006, 04:55

and of course it'd have to have an Ami-Express look and feel to it

scifi · 10 April 2006, 07:39

I totally support your idea! It is such a tough endeavour but there's a point to this effort!

As HOL is the largest database concerning Amiga scene, your site will be the largest database of various format of Amiga games and programs and just all in one site!

As for the legal thing... there are plenty of sites collecting and distributing retro games on the open with collections of PC games till 1998!!

plasmatron · 10 April 2006, 12:34

Great idea.

But when I want a complete TOSEC or good set, I use bittorrent. The easiest way to get the latest sets.

BippyM · 10 April 2006, 12:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by plasmatron

Great idea.

But when I want a complete TOSEC or good set, I use bittorrent. The easiest way to get the latest sets.

yes and downloading the entire games set in 3gb (Solid 7zip archive) sounds alot better then the 30gb or so it it takes up as zipped files!

Methanoid · 10 April 2006, 14:24

Bah, Usenet guys.... a single upload would allow EVERYONE to download it at FULLSPEED for 4-8 weeks depending on how good their Usenet provider is.

We could have a full upload every 8 weeks or so and incremental uploads as/when TOSEC update dats.

Got to the the only way to go.. IMHO

Ironclaw · 10 April 2006, 14:46

We already know how we would have done this. You would have a limit to download each day and at a fixed speed. If registered at a cost of like 10 bucks, you could download as much as you wanted for a week and stuff..... We already know how we would do it.

But... seems like it's too risky so this project wont happen.

Only thing that would be legal to host are all Amiga demos.... but I'm not much of a demo fan..... but still... maybe could do the ultimate amiga demo download site instead?....

musashi5150 · 10 April 2006, 14:46

I think it would be AWESOME to have all Amiga/CDTV/CD32 games in one place... again I think you would probably run into trouble with the legality of it - but I'd love to see it happen (and to get a copy of course

)

wanderer · 10 April 2006, 16:33

I'd love to see it too, but you 'll probably get into trouble.

Overdoc · 11 April 2006, 19:45

Make sure the server is located in a country like e.g. Romania - you won't have any legal troubles there

demoniac · 11 April 2006, 20:58

I fully support the idea as I don't want to download the latest TOSEC update just to get a couple of images. Usenet has the same issue as it is easy to miss a few images from a flood. Invite only would reduce the amount of grief.

09 April 2006, 15:46	#1
Ironclaw Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: ... Age: 45 Posts: 3,313	An Amiga site with almost every Amiga game (adfs and cds). Good idea/project? Hi, What would you say about an Amiga site that hosts almost every Amiga game there is?, both floppy and cdtv/cd32? It's not impossible and could be done by me and Hipoonios. We could get the fastest broadband available where we live and could get lots of 200+gig harddrives. But... would this be totally illegal??? Would we get in trouble??? There's already alot of sites on the web with amiga games, and they have been running for years.... so my guess is that it shouldn't be any problems. But still want to know before anything is done. I know that some games are still being sold, and those games would of course not be on the site. This would be the super duper, ultimate Amiga game download site.

09 April 2006, 16:15	#4
quahappy Born again WinUAE user Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: South Yorkshire, UK Age: 55 Posts: 1,667	That's the only annoying thing Adderly, near enough everyday i'm downloading ADF/HDF or others of some sorts from various sites and getting rather frustrated with half of them going down from day to day. Planetemu is about the only one i've never had any trouble with. Amiga Power is playing up. Ancient Toys is sometimes veeery slow. Amiga World of Classics is rather limited. As for the classic Back 2 Roots.... At the end of the day, it all boils down to time and money and commitment. Adverts really is the only source of income these days or even subscriptions (which do put people off unfortuantely) but I would be willing to subscribe to, if I knew I could download anything Amiga-wise. I'd still say go for it and prove to all the existing sites it can be done!! I want to see the Amiga emu scene live on forever!!! Last edited by quahappy; 09 April 2006 at 19:01.

10 April 2006, 07:39	#12
scifi Resurrected... Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Athens/Greece Age: 50 Posts: 290	Excellent idea Ironclaw I totally support your idea! It is such a tough endeavour but there's a point to this effort! As HOL is the largest database concerning Amiga scene, your site will be the largest database of various format of Amiga games and programs and just all in one site! As for the legal thing... there are plenty of sites collecting and distributing retro games on the open with collections of PC games till 1998!!

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09 April 2006, 15:56	#2
quahappy Born again WinUAE user Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: South Yorkshire, UK Age: 55 Posts: 1,667	That is a fantastic idea Ironclaw and one that has my 100% backing!!! Obviously I can understand it would take a reasonable amount of time to get a site with ALL forms of Amiga files on it. I know a lot of people frown upon it, but how about advertisements as well to generate income to help pay for all the equipment you need? As for getting into trouble?..........naaaaaah! Go for it!!!!!

09 April 2006, 15:59	#3
Adderly [Satan^God] Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 701	I like the idea, would be a great thing to have a site with all the goodies! After the problems of some eab members with their ftp's i foresee some legal issues, but dunno about the swedish law. It would be too bad if you are forced to close down the site just because you have a single, still copyrighted, adf online...

09 April 2006, 18:01	#5
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	I think you'd be closed down pretty quickly tbh.. but it is a good idea and I support it totally and will help "stock" it up :P

09 April 2006, 20:06	#6
Marcuz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: . Age: 48 Posts: 5,562	i don't think it's neither a good or a bad idea: the storage of amiga disks is per se a good thingh and the availability also; but there are already tons of sites with a large bunch of stuff; the things that still are not accomplished by none are about the completeness of the chosen formats. for instance: planetemu has a fairly incomplete tosec archive wich being pretty old both defects many disks and has a big number of uncorrect dumps in. also, is the strain of assembling and puttin together the unending copies of [a] disks in a tosec archive commendable in face of setting up yet another "has it all" archive? on the other hand there are sites that don't go along the tosec format that simply host a selected number of classics, i think for insatance to Amiga Island; this one create further problems to tosec renamers, because of CRC not recognised (at least some time ago, i'm not that up to date) but you could host instead a selection of tosec games. if you would do so there would be little point however on such a site. my suggestion would be to at least wait for some months and see if the the various renamers here and on tosec get out with new dats wich would allow you to skip the duplicates or else go for host a gamebase amiga set.

09 April 2006, 20:11	#7
Ironclaw Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: ... Age: 45 Posts: 3,313	Planetemu doesn't have any amiga cd/cdtv/cd32 titles...only floppies and some on hdfs.... we would have them all.

09 April 2006, 21:08	#8
Mick_AKA crusader of light Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Stone, Staffordshire. Posts: 1,151	It's an excellent idea but putting it up as a site in the public domain is just too dodgy, I dont think you would last a few weeks before you were shut down

10 April 2006, 03:05	#10
Olecranon Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wisconsin - USA Age: 56 Posts: 86	Heck, I'd love a site where I could get all the old applications in addition to games. It blows my mind that its harder to find stuff now, than it was 15 years ago.

10 April 2006, 04:55	#11
gizmomelb Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: melbourne Age: 55 Posts: 541	and of course it'd have to have an Ami-Express look and feel to it

10 April 2006, 12:34	#13
plasmatron Zone Friend Join Date: May 2003 Location: Germany Age: 48 Posts: 967	Great idea. But when I want a complete TOSEC or good set, I use bittorrent. The easiest way to get the latest sets.

10 April 2006, 14:24	#15
Methanoid Retired Quartex Sysop Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Roman Verulamium Age: 58 Posts: 1,873	Bah, Usenet guys.... a single upload would allow EVERYONE to download it at FULLSPEED for 4-8 weeks depending on how good their Usenet provider is. We could have a full upload every 8 weeks or so and incremental uploads as/when TOSEC update dats. Got to the the only way to go.. IMHO

10 April 2006, 14:46	#16
Ironclaw Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: ... Age: 45 Posts: 3,313	We already know how we would have done this. You would have a limit to download each day and at a fixed speed. If registered at a cost of like 10 bucks, you could download as much as you wanted for a week and stuff..... We already know how we would do it. But... seems like it's too risky so this project wont happen. Only thing that would be legal to host are all Amiga demos.... but I'm not much of a demo fan..... but still... maybe could do the ultimate amiga demo download site instead?....

10 April 2006, 14:46	#17
musashi5150 move.w #$4489,$dff07e Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Norfolk, UK Age: 42 Posts: 2,351	I think it would be AWESOME to have all Amiga/CDTV/CD32 games in one place... again I think you would probably run into trouble with the legality of it - but I'd love to see it happen (and to get a copy of course )

10 April 2006, 16:33	#18
wanderer I want an A1000 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Pac-Land Posts: 738	I'd love to see it too, but you 'll probably get into trouble.

11 April 2006, 19:45	#19
Overdoc Commodore Collector Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Austria Age: 53 Posts: 944	Make sure the server is located in a country like e.g. Romania - you won't have any legal troubles there

11 April 2006, 20:58	#20
demoniac Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: - Posts: 1,686	I fully support the idea as I don't want to download the latest TOSEC update just to get a couple of images. Usenet has the same issue as it is easy to miss a few images from a flood. Invite only would reduce the amount of grief.

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