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Old 24 December 2018, 16:37   #21
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More closed source shit... For anyone who actually cared about the Amiga the first step would have been to put the code on github.

I totally agree with this sentiment, but iComp is a business and should only care about the bottom line.
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Old 24 December 2018, 16:53   #22
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If IComp is going to continue fixing bugs and improving the Picasso96, I will happily pay for the update from time to time.

We already have some open-sourced Amiga software, like Directory Opus 5, AMOS - and somehow not much came out of these projects.
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Old 25 December 2018, 01:52   #23
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Hi Duga and all!

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Why would anyone buy it only to make it open source?
No matter what is the purpose of iComp, it was necessary for them to buy it to have all legal rights on it

Congrats iComp!

Cheers!
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Old 25 December 2018, 15:15   #24
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We already have some open-sourced Amiga software, like Directory Opus 5, AMOS - and somehow not much came out of these projects.
Really? Having native Directory Opus Magellan on AROS for various architectures is "not much" for you? I have personally very much enjoyed having access to the sources. AMOS I do not care one bit about though.

Regarding p96, and RTG on Amiga in general... strangely enough, after years and years with RTG, I now prefer native modes. Also, I no longer care about "bling-bling" like Birdie, Visual Prefs etc. no longer trying to use Amiga for what is not suited for, and rather use it for what it is really good at - simpler is better.

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Old 25 December 2018, 15:57   #25
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I have tried this new Opus 5 - it was unstable and produced visual artefacts in listers; if I remember correctly, I had also some problems with icons on the desktop.

I have checked the project once again - the last commit to the repository was around 3 years ago, several bug reports with the last time any of them got closed was in 2015, the forum seems dead, and the official project web page currently shows photo of boobs, surrounded by some Chinese (?) text.

"not much" useful results, if you ask me...
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Old 26 December 2018, 01:33   #26
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FWIW: I recently cloned the SourceForge repository into Github and made Dopus5 compile with Bebbo's toolchain: https://github.com/mheyer32/dopus5allamigas
Everybody is invited to enhance & bugfix :-)
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Old 26 December 2018, 10:31   #27
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"not much" useful results, if you ask me...
Ah, you're one of those who think open source means that developers will work on code for free, for YOUR benefit. Sorry, that's not how it works Open source is for the benefit for those who want to do something with code for their own benefit, not for the ones feeling entitled to not pay for any development.
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Old 26 December 2018, 11:53   #28
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And that's why in case of Amiga (and in any other case the open source does not work for me) I prefer to pay for the development
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Old 26 December 2018, 16:34   #29
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I paid twelve euros of it. I don't know if I ever install it, but just to support cause. Any way it is weird that number of downloads is Limited?
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Old 26 December 2018, 18:07   #30
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So, are 'updates' free or factored into that limited number of downloads?
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Old 26 December 2018, 19:25   #31
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I ordered a copy. Using the default suggested price, plus the Pay Pal fee, it cost me 14.70 in US dollars.
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Old 26 December 2018, 19:41   #32
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And that's why in case of Amiga (and in any other case the open source does not work for me) I prefer to pay for the development
I guess you have a smartphone? Android is based on open source software - even the iOS kernel is partly open source...
You do have a router? same...

You are using this webpage? guess what the server is running on... probably 99% of all webservers are running some open source software. Your browser is probably open source too.

You are surrounded by countless open source software projects that make our modern life work. It is by far the most successful strategy.

Open source does NOT mean, nobody pays for the development - I earn good money.
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Old 26 December 2018, 20:48   #33
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Can somebody who has bought P96 2.2 upload a list with all the version numbers of the included libraries, please.

Picasso96API.library, emulation.library, rtg.library and anything else.
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Old 26 December 2018, 21:06   #34
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Code:
emulation.library    41.443
rtg.library          40.4063
Picasso96API.library  2.358
Additionally, it creates CGX compatibility libraries in memory (there are no physical files)

Code:
cgxvideo.library      42.1
cybergraphics.library 42.7
Monitor driver has version 40.72. Do you also want all the *.card and *.chip versions?
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Old 26 December 2018, 21:30   #35
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Thanks! No, I just wanted to know the library versions, mainly to see if the rtg.library was updated since ThoR's v40.4029. Btw, the new Picasso96API.library is also included in the developer SDK archive.
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Old 28 December 2018, 21:12   #36
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Well I bought it to support further development and to use it with my coming Vampire card and my Voodoo 5500 in my Mediatored A4000. It's great that all this grey area of licensing rights have finally been solved. At least that how it looks to me.

Happy New Year everyone and a late Merry Christmas!
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Old 28 December 2018, 22:15   #37
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FWIW: I recently cloned the SourceForge repository into Github and made Dopus5 compile with Bebbo's toolchain: https://github.com/mheyer32/dopus5allamigas
Everybody is invited to enhance & bugfix :-)
Nice! Git and Github is the way forward to ease collaboration and further development.
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Old 31 December 2018, 14:49   #38
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Open-source is not an option, as neither I, nor the original authors believe that this makes sense (see other projects mentioned in this thread: Starting with a certain complexity, it goes beyond what people can do in their spare time).

See the statement of Abt&Kneer from summer 2017:

https://web.archive.org/web/20180101...96.tabt.de:80/

Other than that: Thanks for all the registrations and positive feedback. Everyone have a good 2019!

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Old 31 December 2018, 15:00   #39
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The code being too complex is a very poor excuse. We all know it’s just about earning money, why not just be honest?
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Old 31 December 2018, 19:01   #40
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It's cannot be open sourced because it contains disassembled AmigaOS code. Simple as that.
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