NTSC on PAL A1200

videofx · 16 May 2020, 00:07

I just got a PAL A1200. I go into pre boot screen and choose NTSC, I have PAL and NTSC in SYS

EVS/MONITORS, I go into SCREEN MODE and change to NTSC ( I have tried all resolutions). I click use and all I get is black screen. How can I get NTSC workbench?

Thanks!

roondar · 16 May 2020, 00:29

Strange, it should just work like that. Are you sure the monitor you're using is NTSC/60Hz compatible?

videofx · 16 May 2020, 00:41

Yup Im in the US and am using an OSSC which does PAL and NTSC. I use it with all my NTSC games machines and no problems with NTSC. Just my Amiga 1200

roondar · 16 May 2020, 01:17

Sorry, I'm not sure - like I said, it should work like that. Perhaps someone else has some useful tips?

lesta_smsc · 16 May 2020, 02:46

Very peculiar. In other things I have used NTSC will display except it would be in B&W rather than not show up at all. The OSCC may be doing some additional conversion that is creating the issue.

videofx · 16 May 2020, 03:20

If it matters, I am using ClassicWB

TjLaZer · 16 May 2020, 07:08

OK there are some things you need to understand. if you set the workbench to NTSC mode when you launch games they will probably launch in pal mode as that is the default video mode for the computer. There are some tools that you can run that will force the machine into NTSC mode (BootNTSC) and that helps in getting those games to run in NTSC. Or you can get WHDload games and set the tool type and that works too.

videofx · 17 May 2020, 20:10

Great, I am trying to run Adventure Creater NTSC from WHDLOAD, what tooltype to I need and where do I change it?

Thanks!

Jope · 18 May 2020, 08:34

Just add a tooltype that says NTSC into the whdload game's icon.

nikosidis · 18 May 2020, 08:42

I use NTSC tooltype where needed like Marble Madness and Money island. It works great with my A1200.

Jope · 18 May 2020, 08:58

Yep, Marble Madness for example is transformed in playability when run in NTSC mode. Too bad for all of us OCS kids, we were stuck with a 50Hz 256 line mode with that tall blank bar that makes Jim Sachs cry. :-)

Hewitson · 18 May 2020, 14:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jope

Yep, Marble Madness for example is transformed in playability when run in NTSC mode. Too bad for all of us OCS kids, we were stuck with a 50Hz 256 line mode with that tall blank bar that makes Jim Sachs cry. :-)

To be fair most ECS kids were in the same boat. Few people had KS 2.x/3.x and even fewer would have performed the hardware modification necessary to switch between 50/60hz.

videofx · 18 May 2020, 20:45

Thanks for the help!

I will try the tool type. If that doesn't work I will connect my NTSC multi sync monitor and see if I can even boot in NTSC

roondar · 18 May 2020, 21:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hewitson

To be fair most ECS kids were in the same boat. Few people had KS 2.x/3.x and even fewer would have performed the hardware modification necessary to switch between 50/60hz.

Didn't all official ECS machines (A500+, A600 & A3000) all have KS 2.x?
I'm fairly certain all of those don't need a HW mod either to be able to switch.

Or are you talking about the batch of A500's/A2000's that Commodore made using the ECS Agnus, but keeping the OCS Denise?

Jope · 19 May 2020, 09:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by roondar

Didn't all official ECS machines (A500+, A600 & A3000) all have KS 2.x?
I'm fairly certain all of those don't need a HW mod either to be able to switch.

Or are you talking about the batch of A500's/A2000's that Commodore made using the ECS Agnus, but keeping the OCS Denise?

There is a significantly large amount of A500s that had a rev6 motherboard, 1MB ECS Agnus, OCS Denise and 1.3.. I wouldn't call it a batch, more like an era of production.

zipper · 19 May 2020, 12:23

1991 I got such an A500.

videofx · 22 May 2020, 01:10

Problem is fixed! Didn't need to use the tool type.

The problem is with the OSSC scaler. I can not switch from PAL to NTSC. Once the game was loaded and I got the blank screen, I turned off the OSSC and back on and then I got the NTSC video.

However, even though it can't go from PAL -> NTSC, it Can go from NTSC->PAL without turning on and off the OSSC

Thanks for all the help!

Jope · 22 May 2020, 14:01

Perhaps you can get it to work by increasing the H-PLL coast values. Increment by one between tests.

videofx · 22 May 2020, 20:05

Jope,

Where is the H-PLL coast value stored so I can change it?

Jope · 22 May 2020, 20:49

Sync opt. http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php?t...-PLL_Pre-Coast

16 May 2020, 00:07	#1
videofx Registered User Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Chicago, IL USA Posts: 585	NTSC on PAL A1200 I just got a PAL A1200. I go into pre boot screen and choose NTSC, I have PAL and NTSC in SYSEVS/MONITORS, I go into SCREEN MODE and change to NTSC ( I have tried all resolutions). I click use and all I get is black screen. How can I get NTSC workbench? Thanks!

16 May 2020, 07:08	#7
TjLaZer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tacoma, WA USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,915	NTSC on PAL A1200 OK there are some things you need to understand. if you set the workbench to NTSC mode when you launch games they will probably launch in pal mode as that is the default video mode for the computer. There are some tools that you can run that will force the machine into NTSC mode (BootNTSC) and that helps in getting those games to run in NTSC. Or you can get WHDload games and set the tool type and that works too.

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16 May 2020, 00:29	#2
roondar Registered User Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,408	Strange, it should just work like that. Are you sure the monitor you're using is NTSC/60Hz compatible?

16 May 2020, 00:41	#3
videofx Registered User Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Chicago, IL USA Posts: 585	Yup Im in the US and am using an OSSC which does PAL and NTSC. I use it with all my NTSC games machines and no problems with NTSC. Just my Amiga 1200

16 May 2020, 01:17	#4
roondar Registered User Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,408	Sorry, I'm not sure - like I said, it should work like that. Perhaps someone else has some useful tips?

16 May 2020, 02:46	#5
lesta_smsc Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 3,173	Very peculiar. In other things I have used NTSC will display except it would be in B&W rather than not show up at all. The OSCC may be doing some additional conversion that is creating the issue.

16 May 2020, 03:20	#6
videofx Registered User Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Chicago, IL USA Posts: 585	If it matters, I am using ClassicWB

17 May 2020, 20:10	#8
videofx Registered User Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Chicago, IL USA Posts: 585	Great, I am trying to run Adventure Creater NTSC from WHDLOAD, what tooltype to I need and where do I change it? Thanks!

18 May 2020, 08:34	#9
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	Just add a tooltype that says NTSC into the whdload game's icon.

18 May 2020, 08:42	#10
nikosidis Registered User Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: oslo/norway Posts: 1,607	I use NTSC tooltype where needed like Marble Madness and Money island. It works great with my A1200.

18 May 2020, 08:58	#11
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	Yep, Marble Madness for example is transformed in playability when run in NTSC mode. Too bad for all of us OCS kids, we were stuck with a 50Hz 256 line mode with that tall blank bar that makes Jim Sachs cry. :-)

18 May 2020, 20:45	#13
videofx Registered User Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Chicago, IL USA Posts: 585	Thanks for the help! I will try the tool type. If that doesn't work I will connect my NTSC multi sync monitor and see if I can even boot in NTSC

19 May 2020, 12:23	#16
zipper Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: finland Posts: 1,837	1991 I got such an A500.

22 May 2020, 01:10	#17
videofx Registered User Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Chicago, IL USA Posts: 585	Problem is fixed! Didn't need to use the tool type. The problem is with the OSSC scaler. I can not switch from PAL to NTSC. Once the game was loaded and I got the blank screen, I turned off the OSSC and back on and then I got the NTSC video. However, even though it can't go from PAL -> NTSC, it Can go from NTSC->PAL without turning on and off the OSSC Thanks for all the help!

22 May 2020, 14:01	#18
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	Perhaps you can get it to work by increasing the H-PLL coast values. Increment by one between tests.

22 May 2020, 20:05	#19
videofx Registered User Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Chicago, IL USA Posts: 585	Jope, Where is the H-PLL coast value stored so I can change it?

22 May 2020, 20:49	#20
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	Sync opt. http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php?t...-PLL_Pre-Coast

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