Most powerfull acellerator in a standard desktop A1200?

Mick_AKA · 24 April 2006, 16:09

Ok, everyone seems to have differing opinnions but the question is, what is the most powerfull acellerator I can fit in my standard desktop A1200?

(It has to physically fit and not overheat)

musashi5150 · 24 April 2006, 16:16

I can't comment on PPC A1200 setups, but I've been perfectly happy with my Blizzard 1260 @ 50Mhz.

There were also other Apollo accelerators that were clocked at 66 and 75 Mhz - but these needed a fan maybe??

Mick_AKA · 24 April 2006, 19:42

do you run this with the trapdoor on ok?

ant512 · 24 April 2006, 20:07

The fastest A1200 Blizzard card without a PPC is the 1260@60MHz. The fastest Apollo with a full 68060 is the 1260@66MHz, but this uses a 50MHz chip overclocked to 66MHz. The fastest Apollo is the 1260@75MHz, but this does not have an FPU.

None of these boards need a fan. All of them work OK in the trapdoor slot (or, in the case of the Apollo cards, as well as can be expected). You might find that you need to leave the trapdoor cover off to get enough cool air into the computer.

Beware of the tower-only version of the Blizzard 1260 - this will not fit into a desktop case because of the way the SIMM socket is orientated. Works fine in a tower, though.

68040 accelerators do need fans as the 040 runs much hotter.

BippyM · 24 April 2006, 20:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by ant512

68040 accelerators do need fans as the 040 runs much hotter.

Does this include the BLizzard PPC+040 combo?

I'm sure my o4o on the blizzard doesn't have a fan on it!

Mick_AKA · 24 April 2006, 20:28

Hmm so say I installed a Blizzard 1260 and cut a hole in one of my spare trapdoors adding a big vent, that should run ok?

adgloride · 24 April 2006, 20:35

I run my Blizzard IV with the trap door off as I start getting loads of crashes otherwise. The only thing is I have to remember that the trap doors off it I ever need to move the amiga 1200. I'm sure I've heard of a 250mhz ppc accelerator for the A1200 that can have up to 256mb of ram, maybe that just for the tower though.

keropi · 24 April 2006, 21:27

I ma happy with with mine... faster than my previous 1260/50...

musashi5150 · 25 April 2006, 00:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick_AKA

do you run this with the trapdoor on ok?

It fits ok under there, but I run it with the trapdoor off... it doesn't need a fan or anything.

Mick_AKA · 25 April 2006, 00:34

See even my 1230 MkIV runs hot after a while with the trapdoor shut, as I said I may make some sort of vent for it.

Calgor · 25 April 2006, 17:44

Yes, the 68030/50 in the blizzard iv does get quite hot indeed. Especially on hot days in australia, and with a SCSI kit on top of it. Runnable for me inside the case, but i would not want to stress the old hardware for too long.

Is the 68060/50 cooler or hotter than the 68030/50? I suppose Blizzard 1260/2060 owners might know this one.

ant512 · 25 April 2006, 20:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calgor

Is the 68060/50 cooler or hotter than the 68030/50? I suppose Blizzard 1260/2060 owners might know this one.

Hotter. I can run my 1230-IV with the trapdoor on, but the 1260 will overheat if I try that.

BippyM · 25 April 2006, 20:18

anyone gonna answer my Q?

AMIGAZ · 25 April 2006, 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by bippym

Does this include the BLizzard PPC+040 combo?

I'm sure my o4o on the blizzard doesn't have a fan on it!

Of course, all 68040's runs hot as hell and the PPC on the board will make the whole board even hotter which isn't healthy

BippyM · 25 April 2006, 20:43

There is a fan and heatsink type thing on the PPC itself like everyother PPC i've seen pics of.. black thing with a fan other side

SilentBob · 25 April 2006, 21:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMIGAZ

Of course, all 68040's runs hot as hell and the PPC on the board will make the whole board even hotter which isn't healthy

Yeah, that's so true. If I touch the 68040 in my A4000, I burn my finger. It's only got a HS, no room for a fan.

The 030 on my Blizzard card does run hot as well. But it's been running fine for about 10 years now, so apparently it hasn't taken that much damage.

dilinger · 25 April 2006, 22:31

060 was a total cpu redesign and actually runs *cooler* than the 030 and 040. 040 is the hottest of the 68k family and if you get one then heatsinks and perhaps even a fan is recommended.

I would never put a PPC inside a standard-case A1200. The heat those things generate (even with a fan&heatsinks) is likely to decrease the general life-span of your Amiga greatly. They were simply NEVER meant to be installed inside a desktop case and I believe that's stated clearly in DCE's PPC manual?

DopPie · 25 April 2006, 22:35

My Apollo 1260@50 runs fine with the trapdoor shut. I have no problems with the device.
The Taifun 1230@50 runs at about the same temperaturen. Haven't done any real measurements on that ofcourse. As for kick ass accelerators my guess would be the 060/PPC combo with the BVision. Cram that into a desktop and you have the ultimate 1200D. I'm not really into towering and such.

dilinger · 25 April 2006, 22:44

BVision also generates some worrying heat by itself. PPC+BVision inside an A1200D = dead Amiga within the year...unless you are an air ventilation expert and know exactly where to place half a dozen industrial sized fans and holes at precise points to release heat from sensitive areas.

I wouldn't recommend that unless you have lots of money to literally "burn"

DJBase · 25 April 2006, 22:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by bippym

Does this include the BLizzard PPC+040 combo?

I'm sure my o4o on the blizzard doesn't have a fan on it!

The 040/25 can run without cooler but the 040/40 definitely not.

24 April 2006, 16:09	#1
Mick_AKA crusader of light Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Stone, Staffordshire. Posts: 1,151	Most powerfull acellerator in a standard desktop A1200? Ok, everyone seems to have differing opinnions but the question is, what is the most powerfull acellerator I can fit in my standard desktop A1200? (It has to physically fit and not overheat)

25 April 2006, 22:31	#17
dilinger Zone Friend Join Date: May 2005 Location: denmark Age: 47 Posts: 45	060 was a total cpu redesign and actually runs cooler than the 030 and 040. 040 is the hottest of the 68k family and if you get one then heatsinks and perhaps even a fan is recommended. I would never put a PPC inside a standard-case A1200. The heat those things generate (even with a fan&heatsinks) is likely to decrease the general life-span of your Amiga greatly. They were simply NEVER meant to be installed inside a desktop case and I believe that's stated clearly in DCE's PPC manual? Last edited by dilinger; 25 April 2006 at 22:52.

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24 April 2006, 16:16	#2
musashi5150 move.w #$4489,$dff07e Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Norfolk, UK Age: 42 Posts: 2,351	I can't comment on PPC A1200 setups, but I've been perfectly happy with my Blizzard 1260 @ 50Mhz. There were also other Apollo accelerators that were clocked at 66 and 75 Mhz - but these needed a fan maybe??

24 April 2006, 19:42	#3
Mick_AKA crusader of light Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Stone, Staffordshire. Posts: 1,151	do you run this with the trapdoor on ok?

24 April 2006, 20:07	#4
ant512 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Posts: 965	The fastest A1200 Blizzard card without a PPC is the 1260@60MHz. The fastest Apollo with a full 68060 is the 1260@66MHz, but this uses a 50MHz chip overclocked to 66MHz. The fastest Apollo is the 1260@75MHz, but this does not have an FPU. None of these boards need a fan. All of them work OK in the trapdoor slot (or, in the case of the Apollo cards, as well as can be expected). You might find that you need to leave the trapdoor cover off to get enough cool air into the computer. Beware of the tower-only version of the Blizzard 1260 - this will not fit into a desktop case because of the way the SIMM socket is orientated. Works fine in a tower, though. 68040 accelerators do need fans as the 040 runs much hotter.

24 April 2006, 20:28	#6
Mick_AKA crusader of light Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Stone, Staffordshire. Posts: 1,151	Hmm so say I installed a Blizzard 1260 and cut a hole in one of my spare trapdoors adding a big vent, that should run ok?

24 April 2006, 20:35	#7
adgloride Amiga Mod Chipper Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: UK Age: 51 Posts: 229	I run my Blizzard IV with the trap door off as I start getting loads of crashes otherwise. The only thing is I have to remember that the trap doors off it I ever need to move the amiga 1200. I'm sure I've heard of a 250mhz ppc accelerator for the A1200 that can have up to 256mb of ram, maybe that just for the tower though.

24 April 2006, 21:27	#8
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	I ma happy with with mine... faster than my previous 1260/50...

25 April 2006, 00:34	#10
Mick_AKA crusader of light Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Stone, Staffordshire. Posts: 1,151	See even my 1230 MkIV runs hot after a while with the trapdoor shut, as I said I may make some sort of vent for it.

25 April 2006, 17:44	#11
Calgor (Amigas && Amigos)++ Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Anrea Posts: 999	Yes, the 68030/50 in the blizzard iv does get quite hot indeed. Especially on hot days in australia, and with a SCSI kit on top of it. Runnable for me inside the case, but i would not want to stress the old hardware for too long. Is the 68060/50 cooler or hotter than the 68030/50? I suppose Blizzard 1260/2060 owners might know this one.

25 April 2006, 20:18	#13
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	anyone gonna answer my Q?

25 April 2006, 20:43	#15
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	There is a fan and heatsink type thing on the PPC itself like everyother PPC i've seen pics of.. black thing with a fan other side

25 April 2006, 22:35	#18
DopPie Zone Friend Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Den Hoorn, NL Age: 44 Posts: 259	My Apollo 1260@50 runs fine with the trapdoor shut. I have no problems with the device. The Taifun 1230@50 runs at about the same temperaturen. Haven't done any real measurements on that ofcourse. As for kick ass accelerators my guess would be the 060/PPC combo with the BVision. Cram that into a desktop and you have the ultimate 1200D. I'm not really into towering and such.

25 April 2006, 22:44	#19
dilinger Zone Friend Join Date: May 2005 Location: denmark Age: 47 Posts: 45	BVision also generates some worrying heat by itself. PPC+BVision inside an A1200D = dead Amiga within the year...unless you are an air ventilation expert and know exactly where to place half a dozen industrial sized fans and holes at precise points to release heat from sensitive areas. I wouldn't recommend that unless you have lots of money to literally "burn"

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