Are you buying Amiga X1000? - Page 8

Leffmann · 07 August 2011, 17:01

To me it's just some big box computer with laptop performance running a flaky exotic OS. I wouldn't buy one if I had all the money in the world, but I hope they'll be successful.

amigakit.com · 07 August 2011, 20:45

@DDNI

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The engraved case front looks SWEEEET

Its sitting on the end of my desk in the office. Everytime FOL goes past it, he is hinting he wants to take it home

DDNI · 08 August 2011, 09:33

@ amigakit, I am in Cardiff in November. Get ready for a visit, or as FOL calls it some corporate espionage

FOL · 08 August 2011, 11:52

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Originally Posted by DDNI

@ amigakit, I am in Cardiff in November. Get ready for a visit, or as FOL calls it some corporate espionage

Hmmmmm!!!

Who said we were in Cardiff?
Caerdydd maybe, ermmmm I mean "NO COMMENT",

.

amigang · 10 August 2011, 19:10

Pic looks nice, just wondering do you know when the case will be available and what the estimated price it will be for the white and black.

Plus also seem to remember something being said about it may support Classic motherboard, is that still the case?

Fractal Deign Define R3 White -
Just seen this on Youtube its made me think I will be getting the White one (ifI can afford it).

[ Show youtube player ]

Later, and thanks for the updates.

Paul_s · 10 August 2011, 19:48

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Originally Posted by DDNI

@ amigakit, I am in Cardiff in November. Get ready for a visit, or as FOL calls it some corporate espionage

Can I hide in the boot?

FOL · 10 August 2011, 22:40

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Originally Posted by amigang

Pic looks nice, just wondering do you know when the case will be available and what the estimated price it will be for the white and black.

Plus also seem to remember something being said about it may support Classic motherboard, is that still the case?

Fractal Deign Define R3 White -
Just seen this on Youtube its made me think I will be getting the White one (ifI can afford it).

[ Show youtube player ]

Later, and thanks for the updates.

I will have to use my favorite DDNI comment "NO Comment".
Nah, Im not sure what I can and cant say, NDA.

So amigakit may be able to answer your questions.
I will say (as it already been posted), that case is a prototype, still needs some work. We want it to be perfect.

Photon · 10 August 2011, 22:43

What Leffmann said, and also: didn't know this even existed, and also: stopped reading the googled page after the word PowerPC.

PPC Amiga-likes can be useful for running Amiga stuff (but so is a PC with emu). But we (at least I, don't know about you??) are still holding out for a continuance of real Amiga.

FOL · 11 August 2011, 01:16

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Originally Posted by Photon

What Leffmann said, and also: didn't know this even existed, and also: stopped reading the googled page after the word PowerPC.

PPC Amiga-likes can be useful for running Amiga stuff (but so is a PC with emu). But we (at least I, don't know about you??) are still holding out for a continuance of real Amiga.

Well I dont agree with his "Exotic FLAKEY OS" comment.
OS4.1 is a great OS (far from flakey, it just needs more developers and Games),

.
I think people are still comparing it to OS4.0, 4.1 is basically a whole different improved Amiga OS.

Amigas were going to go PPC anyway, so Im at a lost as to why people moan about PPC.
I think its nuts how people buy macs which are well overpriced and run another "Exotic OS",

.

Siggy999 · 11 August 2011, 01:46

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Originally Posted by FOL

Well I dont agree with his "Exotic FLAKEY OS" comment.
OS4.1 is a great OS (far from flakey, it just needs more developers and Games),

.
I think people are still comparing it to OS4.0, 4.1 is basically a whole different improved Amiga OS.

Just needs more developers... I wouldn't mind giving it a try to tell the truth, but releasing it on esoteric and expensive hardware locks a lot of people out. This just isn't the way to attract the developers this need to make more things happen.

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Amigas were going to go PPC anyway, so Im at a lost as to why people moan about PPC.
I think its nuts how people buy macs which are well overpriced and run another "Exotic OS",

.

Yes they were.. WERE being the operative word here, they were going to do it back when the PPC was (IMO) a relevant platform.
As it is (again, my opinion) they're trying to jump on that ship after it's sailed, encountered storms, been sunk, and the shipwrights have redesigned an entirely new boat and launched it, and sailed it around the world.

As for Macs, only time I've owned one was when I was involved in high end video production and wanted to take work home with me... that was a PPC mac too - before Avid switched back to PC.
After that I had a work computer replaced with a mac too - to run final cut pro. People (especially professionals) will pay a high amount of money for 'the right tool for the job' - and as far as the video market goes, Final Cut Pro is 'a killer app'.

For that model to work for a new Amiga, it will need something like that.. but... yeah... developers... see above.

To be quite honest I think the aversion to current, popular, available hardware is due to some age-old 'winblows' millstone folks still wear around their neck, and has probably caused more damage to any chances of an 'Amiga Revival (tm)' than any amount of shady underhandedness, lawsuits, or IP squabbling ever did.

Ahhh.. feels so good to get that out finally... now I'll go jump into my asbestos underpants

NovaCoder · 11 August 2011, 03:56

Nope, way too much $$$ for a 'hobby OS' machine.

It will be interesting to see where they go with OS4 after the X1000 is released. It's a shame but I can't see how Hyperion’s current roadmap is going to get them anywhere. The current roadmap being to only support high priced proprietary HW with a closed-source OS that is falling further behind the curve each passing year.

The concept of even using a 'traditional' OS on a computer to do things is going to be made obsolete in the next few years anyway

Leffmann · 12 August 2011, 04:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOL

Well I dont agree with his "Exotic FLAKEY OS" comment.
OS4.1 is a great OS (far from flakey, it just needs more developers and Games),

.
I think people are still comparing it to OS4.0, 4.1 is basically a whole different improved Amiga OS.

Amigas were going to go PPC anyway, so Im at a lost as to why people moan about PPC.
I think its nuts how people buy macs which are well overpriced and run another "Exotic OS",

.

I call it exotic because it's so different and has a very small user and developer base. It tries to be modern but has miles to go and is missing key stuff like complete Java support, OpenGL etc.

And yeah maybe it is nuts to pay €1000 for a Mac and run OS X, but it's strange that someone who's paying €1500 for an X1000 to run Amiga OS 4 would say that. And I don't see what's exotic about OS X. It has tens of millions of users and runs all the big softwares and techs.

Amiga Forever · 16 August 2011, 20:40

from what I heard....the price could be £1,500

Siggy999 · 16 August 2011, 21:01

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Originally Posted by Amiga Forever

from what I heard....the price could be £1,500

This is nearly $2,500 US (where I am)... plus Shipping.

Putting that in perspective, since moving to rural Georgia to work from home an raise my kids - that's 5 months rent, or a second hand minivan better than the one I have for get them around.

As much as I'd like to see what OS4 has to offer, there's no way on earth I could (responsibly) justify that kind of cost 'just to see'.

I've read that they have entertained the idea of writing for 64bit processors at some point, I'll just hold out for that possibility I think.

DonAmiga · 16 August 2011, 22:18

I suppose we all just have to hope that its nowhere near £1500 and more like £1000 or less

DDNI · 18 August 2011, 20:24

WOW!

LOTS of NEMO boards waiting to go out!
Seems that there are more beta testers than I had thought!

I count about 90+ in the pic (I suspect that they may be empty though... They look light, and would you stack £1000 boards like THAT!!?)

Paul_s · 18 August 2011, 22:28

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Originally Posted by DDNI

WOW!

LOTS of NEMO boards waiting to go out!
Seems that there are more beta testers than I had thought!

I would imagine the boxes contain Pizza

As for the x1000, I'll buy one if it's no more than £500 (which would get you a mid-range spec PC nowadays).

DDNI · 27 August 2011, 23:53

Lots of pics from AmigaKit posted over on AmigaWorld

Pics of the unwrapping the "Golden One" Nemo Board.

Admiring the board through anti-static bag,

.

Admiring the board out of anti-static bag,

.

DDNI · 27 August 2011, 23:55

Testing board.

Serial debug screen.

Booting OS4.1 on Nemo.

minimiger · 28 August 2011, 16:48

well i just turned my pc into a fully pledged mac runs like a dream ,if only i could run os4 on a pc too ,this would save buying an outdated ppc hardware , lets face it apple are on intel now ,so who in there right mind would bring out crap ppc hardware to run os4,

only the insane and in this market where you wont see any growth for atleast ten years.

it will fall flat on its ppc face.

11 August 2011, 03:56	#151
NovaCoder Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Melbourne/Australia Posts: 4,400	Nope, way too much $$$ for a 'hobby OS' machine. It will be interesting to see where they go with OS4 after the X1000 is released. It's a shame but I can't see how Hyperion’s current roadmap is going to get them anywhere. The current roadmap being to only support high priced proprietary HW with a closed-source OS that is falling further behind the curve each passing year. The concept of even using a 'traditional' OS on a computer to do things is going to be made obsolete in the next few years anyway Last edited by NovaCoder; 12 August 2011 at 08:36.

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07 August 2011, 17:01	#141
Leffmann Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,269	To me it's just some big box computer with laptop performance running a flaky exotic OS. I wouldn't buy one if I had all the money in the world, but I hope they'll be successful.

08 August 2011, 09:33	#143
DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 5,431	@ amigakit, I am in Cardiff in November. Get ready for a visit, or as FOL calls it some corporate espionage

10 August 2011, 19:10	#145
amigang Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Crewe, UK Posts: 146	Pic looks nice, just wondering do you know when the case will be available and what the estimated price it will be for the white and black. Plus also seem to remember something being said about it may support Classic motherboard, is that still the case? Fractal Deign Define R3 White - Just seen this on Youtube its made me think I will be getting the White one (ifI can afford it). [ Show youtube player ] Later, and thanks for the updates.

10 August 2011, 22:43	#148
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,602	What Leffmann said, and also: didn't know this even existed, and also: stopped reading the googled page after the word PowerPC. PPC Amiga-likes can be useful for running Amiga stuff (but so is a PC with emu). But we (at least I, don't know about you??) are still holding out for a continuance of real Amiga.

16 August 2011, 20:40	#153
Amiga Forever Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: UK Posts: 228	from what I heard....the price could be £1,500

16 August 2011, 22:18	#155
DonAmiga Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Scotland Posts: 523	I suppose we all just have to hope that its nowhere near £1500 and more like £1000 or less

18 August 2011, 20:24	#156
DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 5,431	WOW! LOTS of NEMO boards waiting to go out! Seems that there are more beta testers than I had thought! I count about 90+ in the pic (I suspect that they may be empty though... They look light, and would you stack £1000 boards like THAT!!?)

27 August 2011, 23:53	#158
DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 5,431	Lots of pics from AmigaKit posted over on AmigaWorld Pics of the unwrapping the "Golden One" Nemo Board. Admiring the board through anti-static bag, . Admiring the board out of anti-static bag, .

27 August 2011, 23:55	#159
DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 5,431	Testing board. Serial debug screen. Booting OS4.1 on Nemo.

28 August 2011, 16:48	#160
minimiger Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: england Posts: 8	well i just turned my pc into a fully pledged mac runs like a dream ,if only i could run os4 on a pc too ,this would save buying an outdated ppc hardware , lets face it apple are on intel now ,so who in there right mind would bring out crap ppc hardware to run os4, only the insane and in this market where you wont see any growth for atleast ten years. it will fall flat on its ppc face.

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