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Hi, just to let you know that a court has recently determined that AmigaOS 3.1.4 is legal to sell. The documents have been made public. That is why it is still for sale and Cloanto cannot do anything about it anymore. Now, that said, how will the lawsuit end, we really don't know, and can only guess at best as anyone else. Then, Cloanto will not be able to legally incorporate all the changes made in 3.1.4 as some are personal contributions and Hyperion only holds an untransferable license for them. They don't own them. So Cloanto will need to ask and negociate with each and every of the contributors involved. Lets hope these two companies come to their senses and settle down this dispute in a more amicable manner. |
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In case of court deciding that Hyperion are not in right of OS 3.1.whatever, how would personal contributions be legal in the first place?
For example, under what license has Thomas been able to work on Amiga Shell from OS 3.1? He always stated that he is not the owner, but merely a contributor, so who would be the owner of what Thomas has contributed? |
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No. The court has decided that there is no reason to stop sales for the time of the procedure during which the court will decide whether 3.1.4 is legal or not. In the end it will either be declared legal or illegal but that has not happened yet.
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You mean, 3.9 then. The shell development was done as part of the Os 4 development license, and hence under permission of Hyperion, i.e. the right was derived from their license. Should this license be revoked, the rights for making the shell update - or its distribution - would have to be re-negotiated.
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19 May 2019, 19:34 | #67 |
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Denial of a preliminary injunction is very different to a decision that hyperion are allowed to develop and sell 3.1.4.
I'd be more favourable to Hyperion if they actually paid the developers. Thomas & Co are heroic in their commitment and should be adequately compensated for their time. |
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So up to v45.39, it is the OS 3.9 developer license of H&P, and from v46 onwards, it is under the "OS4 license" of Hyperion? Creative. |
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Give it a rest kolla; you're like a f$%king broken record
...and actually start doing something for the community instead of criticising / hounding the last remaining Amiga devs!!! |
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Should all the developement license move back from Hyperion to some other party, I will *talk again* to that party. Yes - talk. It's not so many people are actually *doing* work here (explicitly not you, just complaining about open sourcing stuff without actually wanting to write a single line no matter what license model it would be...) I don't quite understand what is so complicated to get here. Oh, I forgot. You don't really care. You're just making a rumble and complaining for the purpose of complaining. Silly me. |
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That looks like a "yes".
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In my understanding, your formulation is ignoring the fact that the judge dismissed the plaintiffs on the grounds that "their arguments to stop the sale of AmigaOS 3.1.4" are without any basis in fact :
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preliminary_injunction If your mother language is not English, click on a different language on the lower left. |
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Here, the judges decided that the arguments put forward by the plaintiffs were seriously lacking in tangibility and therefore, contrary to the plaintiffs' wishes, did not require a withdrawal from the sale of the concerned product. At a later date, depending on the decision in the main case, maybe a withdrawal may be/still will not be required, but, as today, no one knows what will be the decision in the main case. Any other statement or implication is only speculation... |
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Should really post this in the legal thread, but since you are talking about the more recent court documents here, I'll bring them up to date: Filed on May 16, 2019 Quote:
Some interesting insights. Additional coverage #6 |
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Thanks for the info @number6
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Nobody can deny that Windows 10 is infinitely more sophisticated than AmigaOS will ever be. But sometimes sophistication is not what you want. AmigaOS has the ability to do useful stuff on hardware that Windows 10 will never work with. And even on machines that Windows 10 should work on it often sucks. I have an HP Elite x2 tablet here that is practically worthless. Firstly it goes flat in a few days if not plugged in and charging. Second - and more importantly - it can't handle the app we want to run on it due to serious problems with the GUI. Quote:
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Android? Firmware reset? Windows, Recovery partition? An Os defined by upgradable software is better to handle than having a ROM. How would you change a ROM on a smartphone, in first place? They come with flash... And once you have flash: Does it really matter whether that's a SSD (also flash) or Flash ROM? In the end, only the procedure how the Os protects itself against malicious software matters, and how the user can update it. "Recovery partitions" are not such a novel thing, after all. |
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