Details for the next generation of Flickerfixers from Individual Computers

[Exit]

Yes a solution, for the little trapdoor would be nice...just plug it in and ready or if somebody else would made such a solution i would certainly buy it.

[Calabazam]

Nice idea to use the back trapdoor of the A1200, but it would be nice to fit at least one or two USB there on the same time.

[corpsicle]

I may be blind and/or stupid, but where do i sign up for preorder of a MK2 for a1200 ?

[Mr B]

Well, not here. AmigaKit doesn't do preorders on items with unknown availability, but Vesalia have been taking "preorders" for as long as i can remember...
B!

[Schoenfeld]

Every reseller listed on my website can take pre-orders, provided that he does not take any money in advance.

The connector discussion is not exactly useful, as the DVI-I connector is the only one that carries both analogue and digital signals at the same time. I would need even more space if I used HDMI and VGA next to each other. In addition to that, people would expect that a HDMI connector also outputs audio, which is not possible with my hardware (only half the sound data "flies by" the FPGA, not enough to do a Paula-implementation and re-create the sound). It would confuse customers if they see a picture, but don't hear any sound.

DisplayPort is not an option, as it's not compatible with DVI on an electrical level. It has a higher symbol rate, shorter maximum cable length, and again: no analogue signal option. Since Thunderbolt is backwards-compatible to DisplayPort on an electrical level, the same reasons for NOT choosing it apply.

Displays will remain compatible with DVI for the forseeable future (that is: at least until 2015, when DisplayPort and Thunderbolt are planned to fully take over), and I expect quite a few customers to still choose a CRT for the sake of "smoother picture". The scanline emulation just looks more real on a CRT, and we'll be able to get rid of flickering once and for all if I add a triple-scan mode for NTSC (90Hz) or a quad-scan mode for PAL (100Hz).

Jens

[NovaCoder]

Jens,

I'm very happy that it will have DVI and have already brought a DVI LCD for mine

I think mixing new technology with old is the best thing about the classic scene so carry on making these advances

[rkauer]

Jens, any chance to make a simple 90° adapter to allow the new Indivision to install in the A4kD?

I know PLCC male sockets are expensive, but saves you to have to make two boards and will let A4kD users to use the same FF/SD in desktop Amigas. Height may be a problem.

[Schoenfeld]

90-degree adapter for the A4000d is not an option, because zorro cards would be in the way. It will have to be a special version, but it has the benefit of also fitting the CD32, so two versions can cover all AGA Amigas that have been made.

Jens

[Jope]

OTOH if you install a kickflash or other short card in the lowest Zorro slot, then it wouldn't be such a big deal.. Naturally you will have to make the conscious decision of losing access to your video slot. :-)

[Schoenfeld]

Originally Posted by Jope

Naturally you will have to make the conscious decision of losing access to your video slot. :-)

...which is kinda weird if you take into account that Indivision is one of the _very_ few flickerfixers that's genlock-compatible.

Jens

[Jope]

Originally Posted by Schoenfeld

...which is kinda weird if you take into account that Indivision is one of the _very_ few flickerfixers that's genlock-compatible.

True, thankfully external genlocks are quite common. Naturally doesn't do much good if the user already has an internal one. :-)

[cv643d]

Originally Posted by NovaCoder

no, it will just refresh quicker....

So a faster refresh rate means less flicker, and higher resolutions with HighGFX?

[Geijer]

Originally Posted by cv643d

So a faster refresh rate means less flicker, and higher resolutions with HighGFX?

No,

To put it simple 25/30 Hz (PAL/NTSC Interlaced) means flicker, 50Hz or above means no flicker. With most modern flatscreen TVs you will get no flicker even with Interlace since they have similar (but much simpler) functions to Indivision.

HighGFX only needs a monitor or tv that supports 55 Hz vertical and 22,22 kHz horizontal. If that is not the case, you can use Indivision to convert the signal.

Indivision solves the problem that many modern TV's and monitors do have problems with frequencies and resolutions that AGA (and OCS) works best with and minimizing the effects that will occour when converting the signal:

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_tearing
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1:1_pixel_mapping

[magnetic]

Originally Posted by Schoenfeld

...which is kinda weird if you take into account that Indivision is one of the _very_ few flickerfixers that's genlock-compatible.

Jens

Jens so my a1200 has a Supergen SX genlock on the RGB port when I get the MK2 will I be able to have say Image FX screen open on the Indivision on one monitor and another app open on NTSC out of the RGB port at the same time?



How does this work? Thank you

[Schoenfeld]

Originally Posted by magnetic

Jens so my a1200 has a Supergen SX genlock on the RGB port when I get the MK2 will I be able to have say Image FX screen open on the Indivision on one monitor and another app open on NTSC out of the RGB port at the same time?

No, it's not possible to do a dual-monitor setup like that. The Indivision screen will always show what the normal 1084 monitor would also display, just in a better quality and without video overlay.

With a genlock, you see a mix of the Amiga picture and the video picture on the 1084 monitor. Indivision will then show the "Amiga-only" picture that is overlaid on the video picture. That's as "genlock compatible" as it gets: It shows a picture, while pretty much every other flickerfixer will show nothing or garbage.

You will not be able to see the video picture on the Indivision output. For the resulting video-mix-picture, you still need a video monitor.

Jens

[magnetic]

Jens
I'm a veteran with amigas and genlocks but i'm still confused. Can you please explain or illustrate the physical connections? I'm coming off just the amiga rgb port and the Indivision puts gfx out on that as a normal amiga or are you saying that I would use the dvi output to rgb somehow?
What modes does the indivision have that are "genlock compatible" please? In other words what are the advantages of the using the indivision for amiga gfx for genlock overlay over standard amiga outputs?

Thank you for answering I know you are busy

[Jope]

Originally Posted by magnetic

Jens
I'm a veteran with amigas and genlocks but i'm still confused. Can you please explain or illustrate the physical connections?

I'm not Jens, but decided to answer anyway.

The genlock is plugged into the Amiga's RGB port as usual.

The indivision is plugged in on top of a chip on the motherboard and has its own separate 31kHz output that you can connect another monitor to.

Hence: your genlocking is just as before, but you have the option to view everything (except for the overlaid video) from a VGA monitor that is connected to the new VGA connector that is provided by the Indivision.

So .. as Jens already said: Genlock compatible in this sense basically means that it can coexist with a genlock.

I'm coming off just the amiga rgb port and the Indivision puts gfx out on that as a normal amiga or are you saying that I would use the dvi output to rgb somehow?

The indivision has a separate output, the RGB port on the motherboard functions as before without any enhancements / changes.

What modes does the indivision have that are "genlock compatible" please?

If the genlock is compatible with the mode you want to use, so is the Indivision.

In other words what are the advantages of the using the indivision for amiga gfx for genlock overlay over standard amiga outputs?

There is no advantage for that use case.

All in all, you can set your machine up for use with a flicker free VGA monitor, but on the other hand you can continue to do video work with the machine without shuffling connections around.

Naturally if you use your Amiga only for genlocking, then the Indivision is probably not of much use to you - you'd need a 15kHz monitor anyway in order to view the genlocked picture.

However if you do any other productivity work with it, the Indivision lets you connect a better monitor and use better resolutions with less eye strain.

sounds good

[XDelusion]

Magnetic:

This is the solution I'll be using when I get my NTSC 1200 in the mail, and maybe buy that 2000 mobo off you (if you are still willing to sell that is).

http://www.amigamaniac.com/RGB_to_PAL_NTSC_adapter.html

I'll have two systems with the Internal Flicker Fixer, and two with the RGB Adapter for Video Production.

[maw2k]

Originally Posted by Schoenfeld

I may make a "special order period" where anyone interested in an A4000D/CD32 version can pre-order and pre-pay his unit, but I will most probably not stock them. Based on the numbers of the old model, I'm expecting higher cost than for the A1200/A4000T version

I started my Amiga revival 2 weeks ago and now I would like to have one of these. Please do it