19 March 2018, 01:37 | #41 |
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Just to clear out some doubts that apparently persist regarding my previous posts:
1) I have no ill-will or negative opinion about ANY system that uses AROS or MorphOS. Quite on the contrary. I'm all for diversity (against the prevalence of "wintels" and now Androids too) and if these alternatives are AmigaOS based, the better. So go on with their development. 2) I still don't think these computers (running MorphOS or AROS) are Amigas. What model of Amiga are they? Amiga 5800? Amiga 12345? Some of you said it yourselves: some of these computers have a bitten Apple as a logo... How can they be an Amiga? The Amiga X5000 and the AmigaOne had the name "Amiga" in them but since they had no full backwards compatibility, I fail to see them as real Amigas. It's just as it is. Sorry. Even some Atarians say things like "the Falcon is NOT an ST", when the Falcon is much closer to an ST than the MorphOS/AROS machines are to an actual Amiga. Is it wishful-thinking to want the "next-gen" of Amigas to be fully (or almost) compatible with its previous generation? I think not. Hence my PC example as before. If they did it, why couldn't Commodore? In rigour, the "next gen" Amiga was the A3000 in a first stage followed by the A1200 and the A4000 lastly. Just as the A3000 was VERY compatible with the original Amiga (A1000), the A1200 and A4000 were also very compatible with the A3000 and A1000, so the A2400 and the A6000 (putative names) should be very compatible with the A1200 and the A4000 while still being able to churn out glide-like 3D graphics, read CD-ROMs, have large IDE/SATA hard-disks and have other contemporary (for 1995) features. One does not HAVE to exclude the other. Only with this scenario in place would the Amiga still persist. But it did not come to be. The Amiga line is, sadly, dead. These systems that run MorphOS and AROS aren't Amigas... They're just computers pretending to be Amigas. Before some of you start hating my guts and wishing my untimely death, let me say this: What I wrote above is JUST my opinion and nothing more. It's not law or anything. It's just how I see this particular issue. Feel free to completely disagree. We can still be friends... (I hope) |
19 March 2018, 02:48 | #42 |
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"If they did it, why couldn't Commodore?"
By the sound of things because their management couldn't run a menage. "I'm all for diversity (against the prevalence of "wintels" and now Androids too)" Amen brother. Last edited by Overlord; 19 March 2018 at 02:55. |
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i think a brand new amiga 4000 with a 060 would do me only cheaper.
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Recently I decided to sell my G5. I bought it few years ago, I thought that MorphOS would maybe eventually drop the price but it seems it never will.
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The price has dropped first from 150e to 111.11e, then the price for older systems dropped to 79e (PMac G4, Pegasos) and 49e (Efika, Sam), and now a year or so ago the price of the latest supported systems (Powerbook, IBook, G5) also dropped to 79e. So, the price for your G5 system has dropped noticeably during the few years you've been waiting. |
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19 March 2018, 20:01 | #50 |
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Trying AmigaOS4.1 classic on WinUAE is pretty cost effective at £26.00
http://www.hyperion-entertainment.co...on-for-classic It isn’t the full experience of that seen on a new AmigaOne X1000 or X5000 though. |
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Also if you happen to have MorphOS compatible hardware, trying out it is free. You can try fully working MorphOS as a live-cd or install it to HD, but without registration you'll have to reboot it every 30 mins (or use it in slow motion mode after it). Just to let people know, because many don't seem to know much about it
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19 March 2018, 21:42 | #53 |
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Good point jPV.
You still need to buy a £70 license if you like it. The cost of entry to NG Amiga really isn't the block that it used to be. Also, attend your local Amiga meets to try NG out for free on real hardware! Amiga is about the people and not the OS flavour |
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I think someone is just getting confused by the Nyx or AAA motherboards and assuming that an assembled motherboard is representative of anything.
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I think, these days where the Amiga is more and more becoming a retro hobby, the time for those "NG"-machines is kind of over.
The reason these OSes were started for are kind of obsolete now. I kind of like what the Vampire is trying and I see the Amigas future there.. |
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I definitely see the Vampire as an "NG" machine. It's got a reasonable amount of oomph in it, runs 68k directly but has evolved things with more RAM, RTG, and the forthcoming SAGA. Not everyone may agree with every design choice but it's an exceptional achievement for a bunch of enthusiasts.
Whoever actually holds the rights for OS4.1 ought to port it to Vampire. |
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MorphOS was one of those things back in 2005 or so (1.x days) when enough of us nerds thought a reasonably affordable PowerPC board with a lightweight OS was cool, not just because it was Amiga-oid.
Alas, it didn't last long once you realised you couldn't actually hack away at it and a OS developed by a small private group was a nonsensical idea. Not to mention the whole OS design isn't future proof. End conclusion, the whole thing wasn't really nerd-friendly *at all* Everyone i know from back then with a interest in it just moved over straight to Linux very quickly. |
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