02 July 2004, 15:01 | #1 |
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Isn't it time to release Amiga ROM 1.3 for FREE ?
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.UAE is available for FREE (and has been ported to a number of different platforms thanks to its GPL licence) .A lot of great games are available for FREE thanks to their original authors/editors (see http://www.back2roots.org) => The Rom 1.3/WB 1.3 has been released 16 (!) years ago: I think it's high time to release it for FREE... Apple already released MacOS 7.x for free (not the roms though), Amstrad CPC's basic has also been put in public domain,... What do you think ? |
02 July 2004, 15:09 | #2 | |
Pipboy approved
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02 July 2004, 15:13 | #3 | |
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Plus: why did Amiga, Inc. sell the AmigaOS to KMOS, Inc. in latest April if they still could make money with it ? |
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02 July 2004, 16:22 | #4 |
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On the last question, turn it around. Why would KMOS, Inc. buy the AmigaOS from Amiga, Inc. if they could not make money with it? Whether one agrees or disagrees about whether something should be free is irrelevant. Businesses exist primarily to make a profit, and not to be "fair" in our eyes. If you owned stock in a company, you probably would think they were nuts if they gave away something they could have sold which might help to increase the value of your shares.
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02 July 2004, 16:37 | #5 |
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It is funny how people demand something be released for free since it has no value to them yet they want it anyway. If it realy had no value why would you want it in the first place?
I think ebay among other places has show that you can make a profit on anything if its sold at the right price. |
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@Chuckles: KMos bought AmigaOS in order to let Hyperion developp AmigaOS4: with Amiga sources belonging to Amiga, Inc. OS4 development may have been stopped because of Genesi sueing Amiga, Inc... Please don't tell me they have interest in OS 1.x ! |
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02 July 2004, 17:12 | #7 | |
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I have OS 1.3 on my A500 and A2000 just for playing games. People DO buy mac OS 7.x cdrom for their old mac collections (they are only a few dollars anyway and not everybody has a fast internet connection to d/l the free disk images). You can't run OSX on your Quadra 950/840AV you know. I find it odd people spend $300 or more for a video card for their A2000 or A4000 machines or go to the trouble of getting PPC upgrades for their machines, but others think its a good investment. While anything software related to the Amiga line can be found on the net for free (legal or not), it does take time and some effort to find these resources. Therefore people who would rather just sit down and fire up a commercial emulator with 1.3 roms included (along with a few games) will pay a few dollars for a legit product. |
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02 July 2004, 17:25 | #8 |
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What do you think would be the likelyhood of an Amiga-in-a-Joystick thing like they did with the Atari 2600, Namco and now C64?
I see that they are doing a Megadrive joystick with 6 games built in for £30 but I cannot understand why (apart from its a big con) no cartridge port for further games for that one! |
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04 July 2004, 20:33 | #10 |
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Though I agree there's demand for the software, I doubt they are able to make much money off it these days. That there is demand for something doesn't mean it's something that's going to sell.
I think releasing kick 1.3 would generate a lot of goodwill and in that way be a sensible business decision. |
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An example of goodwill is apple releasing GS/OS 6.01 for the IIgs and 7.5.3-7.5.5 for the 68k and powermac line. The reason for this is Apple has not made or supported the apple II line in ages and has no plans on reviving it any time soon. Apple didn't release 7.6.1 or later OS because they are just modern enough to get a Mac functioning on the internet and could possible undercut new mac sales. Microsoft releasing Windows 3.11 code would be goodwill (they have not done this) for all the ancient machines out there. This is a good buisiness decision because the OS is old enough that it wont run any current aplications. Releasing OS 9x would not be smart because it is still viable in the market. |
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More importantly, would the Amiga have such a vibrant emulation scene had someone not dumped and distributed the Amiga Kickstart ROMs illegally in the first place? Amiga Forever is based on WinUAE, which is based on UAE, and it's possible that not everyone who contributed to UAE before Amiga Forever was released had dumped their own ROMs. I agree that whoever owns the Kickstarts this week doesn't need to allow the free distribution of the early ROMs; it's their property, at least until the next chump buys it, and they can do what they like with it. However, I do think that freeing Kick 1.3 would create goodwill within the emulation community; would increase interest in Amiga emulation; and might even lead to new emulator developments. |
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The EMU scene is vibrant because its all for free (emulator and all the games legal or not). There is always a vibrant scene for free computer software wether its for a spectrum 8 bit machine or the latest PC and Mac warez. Goodwill doesnt exist between a company that owns the rights to amiga roms and the thousands who illegaly use them already. |
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What has the release of OS4 to do with the free (or not) release of OS 1.x ? |
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I beg to GOD that they don't make oine of those stupid fucking joysticks out of Amiga games.
Besides, it would be too complex to replicate, I suppose. |
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why do you want Amiga to release the kickstart rom for free... ?
i mean whats the point... i doubt anyone that is into the emulation scene can say that all of the roms that sit on their hard-drive are transfered personally if you are into emulation (which, lets not forget is kinda underground... but now very popular), then you probably don't care are the legal arguements concerning copyright etc... !!! No i not dragging up a right/wrong piracy debate, something we have seen here a gazillion times already !!! i personally don't care if AmigaInc or whoever don't want to release something they own into the public domain... it makes no difference to me what-so-ever... anyway.. i must get back to one of the 500 sega megadrive games sitting on my hard-drive... |
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oh.. yeah....
concerning AmigaInc, do they actual make any money anymore anyway.. lol |
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Why would a free 1.3 kickstart make me buy a completely different product, AmigaOne+Os4 or at least change my attitude towards it? It would generate goodwill but generating goodwill isn't a sufficient way to advertise a product, especially if the product is publicly known as ...hmm sucky
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Well, I am sure they could make a good PR campaign out of releasing Kick 1.3 - I was shocked that mainstream press covered Amiga DE, OS4, etc. as it was, so there must be interest in that kind of news.
"Amiga helps people play old games" or something... Okay, maybe it wouldn't work, especially with that headline - but I am sure Amstrad's decision to release Speccy + Amstrad CPC ROMs was quite big news a while ago... Anyway, I don't suppose it will ever happen, and I wouldn't do it if I was them - especially since they probably have some sort of long term contract with Cloanto. And... well... I am not sure they really have any other revenue streams right now, even if it is only a little money (and I expect it is quite a nice amount). |
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