<none> as default port 2 (game ports)

sodapop · 09 December 2015, 18:46

Hi Toni,
It would be nice if <none> could be the default setting for game port 2 (instead of "keyboard layout A"), if no other device is detected, or if no other choice is made by the user...
But maybe you already took this into account (from another post from me)

Thank you !
Regards

Toni Wilen · 09 December 2015, 19:50

It is already implemented in not yet released beta. (Port #1/#2 default now comes from default.uae)

sodapop · 15 September 2016, 13:05

Hi Toni,

It was implemented... but seems un-implemented, from 3.3.0 (at least). I didn't really pay attention to it, and don't know since when...
But "keyboard layout A" seems to be the default choice once again (used to be <none> since you implemented it in 3.2.2 , IIRC)
I tried with the latest betas, still the same...

Thank tou !

Toni Wilen · 15 September 2016, 16:10

Works normally here.

default.uae joyport1=none. Load config with unplugged USB game controller in joyport1: <none> stays.

sodapop · 15 September 2016, 16:55

Sorry, but I tried with my laptop too, just to be sure...
WinUAE was still 3.2.2 on my laptop, I tested it, works fine (<none> as game port 2), then I upgraded to 3.3.0: "keyboard layout A" as game port 2 !
Then, I put back the 3.2.2 version: works fine (<none> as game port 2)

I did the same with my desktop WinUAE: works fine when I re-install 3.2.2, but "keyboard layout A" comes back with 3.3.0 or latest beta... (no matter if I use USB device or not)

I then installed a fresh 3.3.0 on a friend of mine PC's : "keyboard layout A" as game port 2 !

Toni Wilen · 15 September 2016, 20:56

I can't duplicate. Attach your default.uae (if it exists) and config you load.

Michael Sykes · 15 September 2016, 21:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

I can't duplicate. Attach your default.uae (if it exists) and config you load.

I was curious so I had to check my gameport settigs,too.

In my everyday config I saved it with a gamepad pluged in.
It defaults to KB layout A with the the gamepad unpluged.

Same in quickstart.

No default.uae found on my harddisk.Tested in WinUAE 3.3.0.

EDIT: nearly forgot, here's my config.

Toni Wilen · 15 September 2016, 21:25

Thats exactly how it is designed to work. A is the default unless default.uae has it set to something else.

Michael Sykes · 15 September 2016, 21:30

Thanks. I somehow missed that.
What am I supposed to write in default.uae to let it default to "none"?

EDIT: got it!
Just set it to none and save it as default from WinUAE....

Stupid me.

sodapop · 15 September 2016, 21:32

I think it couldn't be easier to duplicate: install a fresh 3.3.0 version somewhere on your PC, maybe in another partition or a folder in "My documents" or whatever , and run WinUAE from there... then look at Game ports / port 2 , and you should find "Keyboard layout A", instead of <none> in 3.2.2

If you do that with 3.2.2, you will find <none>
If you do that with 3.3.0 you will find "keyboard layout A" (as it was before you corrected it !)
So, something has changed between those 2 versions...

Toni Wilen · 15 September 2016, 21:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by sodapop

I think it couldn't be easier to duplicate: install a fresh 3.3.0 version somewhere on your PC, maybe in another partition or a folder in "My documents" or whatever , and run WinUAE from there... then look at Game ports / port 2 , and you should find "Keyboard layout A" instead of <none> in 3.2.2

Which is exactly correct. A is the default, has always been the default. This behavior can't be changed without breaking too many existing configs.

If <none> is shown in some other version (without default.uae), it is wrong and broken. (and I can't duplicate it with 3.2.2 either, A is shown if no default.uae)

Using default.uae to override it was the only solution that didn't break backwards compatibility.

Michael Sykes · 15 September 2016, 21:42

I did not install WinUAE in ages. Is there a default.uae created in 3.2.2 install but not in 3.3.0?
I could swear I once deleted such a file in the past.
At least I was a bit baffled not to find it in my uae folder.

sodapop · 15 September 2016, 21:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

If <none> is shown in some other version (without default.uae), it is wrong and broken. (and I can't duplicate it with 3.2.2 either, A is shown if no default.uae)

Using default.uae to override it was the only solution that didn't break backwards compatibility.

<none> was shown in 3.2.2 because you took my previous complaint into account and you modified it :

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=80652

--> When loading config with joystick that is not available, switch to keyboard layout that was previously selected or none, not layout A. Set layout A in default.uae if you want old behavior.

If I understand correctly: <none> was then the default option. For "layout A", user must choose it deliberately, and save to default. Wich was great for me ! ;-)
But now, it reverted to what it was before...

Quote:

Which is exactly correct. A is the default, has always been the default

No, not always ! you changed it for 3.2.2 !

Toni Wilen · 15 September 2016, 22:01

Ok, now I remember.. But I still can't see any difference between 3.2.2 and 3.3.0 (without default.uae, unplugged USB joystick configured). <none> appears.

Attach your config file.

sodapop · 15 September 2016, 22:09

here it is...

Toni Wilen · 15 September 2016, 22:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by sodapop

here it is...

joyport1=kbd1

It has keyboard layout configured.

sodapop · 15 September 2016, 22:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

joyport1=kbd1

It has keyboard layout configured.

Because it's the defaut file I created from the fresh install of 3.3.0 !
Basically, I installed 3.3.0 in a folder in My Documents, from scratch. Then, I only changed the ROM path, save it to "default"... and sent the file to you !
That means that by default, it is NOT <none>

Now, here is my default file from my REAL WinUAE (joyport1=none), but that won't change layout A from being chosen...

Toni Wilen · 15 September 2016, 22:37

This is invalid, it has "old style" joystick config entry set to none but later joystick options are not set to none:

joyport1=none
joyportfriendlyname1=Saitek P990 Dual Analog Pad

How did you create this config? Step by step, exactly, thanks.

sodapop · 15 September 2016, 22:47

I think I dit it years ago, but I can't remember doing anything odd... just choosing my gamepad (Saitek) as port 2 when it was plugged... I didn't put my fingers into the default file...
When my gamepad was unplugged, the fallback choice was "Layout A", before you turned it to <none> in 3.2.2 (logically, according to me).
If you want, I will try to reproduce it with the fresh 3.3.0 install (not before tomorrow morning, sorry)

sodapop · 16 September 2016, 09:29

Hi Toni,

So, when it comes to my "Saitek P990" gamepad, I did the same with the newly installed 3.3.0 that what I did long times ago with much older versions:
I plugged it, launched WinUAE, selected my gamepad in "port 2" list, save the configuration as default, closed WinUAE.
I unplugged my gamepad, launched WinUAE, and port 2 had "keyboard layout A".

I opened default.uae, and it was:

joyport1=joy0
joyport1autofire=none
joyportfriendlyname1=Saitek P990 Dual Analog Pad

But it won't prevent WinUAE from choosing "keyboard layout A" as fallback, instead of <none> as 3.2.2 did...

So, would it possible to do, for later releases, what you did with 3.2.2, plesae ?

15 September 2016, 13:05	#3
sodapop Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: France Posts: 99	Hi Toni, It was implemented... but seems un-implemented, from 3.3.0 (at least). I didn't really pay attention to it, and don't know since when... But "keyboard layout A" seems to be the default choice once again (used to be <none> since you implemented it in 3.2.2 , IIRC) I tried with the latest betas, still the same... Thank tou ! Last edited by sodapop; 17 September 2016 at 20:32.

15 September 2016, 16:55	#5
sodapop Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: France Posts: 99	Sorry, but I tried with my laptop too, just to be sure... WinUAE was still 3.2.2 on my laptop, I tested it, works fine (<none> as game port 2), then I upgraded to 3.3.0: "keyboard layout A" as game port 2 ! Then, I put back the 3.2.2 version: works fine (<none> as game port 2) I did the same with my desktop WinUAE: works fine when I re-install 3.2.2, but "keyboard layout A" comes back with 3.3.0 or latest beta... (no matter if I use USB device or not) I then installed a fresh 3.3.0 on a friend of mine PC's : "keyboard layout A" as game port 2 ! Last edited by sodapop; 15 September 2016 at 17:12.

15 September 2016, 21:32	#10
sodapop Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: France Posts: 99	I think it couldn't be easier to duplicate: install a fresh 3.3.0 version somewhere on your PC, maybe in another partition or a folder in "My documents" or whatever , and run WinUAE from there... then look at Game ports / port 2 , and you should find "Keyboard layout A", instead of <none> in 3.2.2 If you do that with 3.2.2, you will find <none> If you do that with 3.3.0 you will find "keyboard layout A" (as it was before you corrected it !) So, something has changed between those 2 versions... Last edited by sodapop; 15 September 2016 at 21:44.

16 September 2016, 09:29	#20
sodapop Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: France Posts: 99	Hi Toni, So, when it comes to my "Saitek P990" gamepad, I did the same with the newly installed 3.3.0 that what I did long times ago with much older versions: I plugged it, launched WinUAE, selected my gamepad in "port 2" list, save the configuration as default, closed WinUAE. I unplugged my gamepad, launched WinUAE, and port 2 had "keyboard layout A". I opened default.uae, and it was: joyport1=joy0 joyport1autofire=none joyportfriendlyname1=Saitek P990 Dual Analog Pad But it won't prevent WinUAE from choosing "keyboard layout A" as fallback, instead of <none> as 3.2.2 did... So, would it possible to do, for later releases, what you did with 3.2.2, plesae ? Last edited by sodapop; 17 September 2016 at 20:31.

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09 December 2015, 18:46	#1
sodapop Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: France Posts: 99	<none> as default port 2 (game ports) Hi Toni, It would be nice if <none> could be the default setting for game port 2 (instead of "keyboard layout A"), if no other device is detected, or if no other choice is made by the user... But maybe you already took this into account (from another post from me) Thank you ! Regards

09 December 2015, 19:50	#2
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	It is already implemented in not yet released beta. (Port #1/#2 default now comes from default.uae)

15 September 2016, 16:10	#4
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	Works normally here. default.uae joyport1=none. Load config with unplugged USB game controller in joyport1: <none> stays.

15 September 2016, 20:56	#6
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	I can't duplicate. Attach your default.uae (if it exists) and config you load.

15 September 2016, 21:25	#8
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	Thats exactly how it is designed to work. A is the default unless default.uae has it set to something else.

15 September 2016, 21:30	#9
Michael Sykes WinUAE end user Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Bremen Age: 44 Posts: 649	Thanks. I somehow missed that. What am I supposed to write in default.uae to let it default to "none"? EDIT: got it! Just set it to none and save it as default from WinUAE.... Stupid me.

15 September 2016, 21:42	#12
Michael Sykes WinUAE end user Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Bremen Age: 44 Posts: 649	I did not install WinUAE in ages. Is there a default.uae created in 3.2.2 install but not in 3.3.0? I could swear I once deleted such a file in the past. At least I was a bit baffled not to find it in my uae folder.

15 September 2016, 22:01	#14
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	Ok, now I remember.. But I still can't see any difference between 3.2.2 and 3.3.0 (without default.uae, unplugged USB joystick configured). <none> appears. Attach your config file.

15 September 2016, 22:37	#18
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	This is invalid, it has "old style" joystick config entry set to none but later joystick options are not set to none: joyport1=none joyportfriendlyname1=Saitek P990 Dual Analog Pad How did you create this config? Step by step, exactly, thanks.

15 September 2016, 22:47	#19
sodapop Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: France Posts: 99	I think I dit it years ago, but I can't remember doing anything odd... just choosing my gamepad (Saitek) as port 2 when it was plugged... I didn't put my fingers into the default file... When my gamepad was unplugged, the fallback choice was "Layout A", before you turned it to <none> in 3.2.2 (logically, according to me). If you want, I will try to reproduce it with the fresh 3.3.0 install (not before tomorrow morning, sorry)

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