New cheap handheld retro gaming system - Page 3

T_hairy_bootson · 02 July 2009, 17:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by frikilokooo

I guess that the WIZ console requires complex tutorials to install emulators,that is what I wanted to avoid.

That information is incorrect. WIZ is just drag and drop on all its applications.

Dual boot linux is out for dingoo and MAME is on the way. For some reason installing the dual boot firmware actually fixes the megadrive emulation.

Anemos · 02 July 2009, 18:20

THB, have testing the Linux boot on your Dingoo?

frikilokooo · 02 July 2009, 20:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by T_hairy_bootson

Dual boot linux is out for dingoo and MAME is on the way. For some reason installing the dual boot firmware actually fixes the megadrive emulation.

It seems very difficult to install for me.I don't have Linux in my PC,I use XP. Btw MAME will release for Dingoo OS?

"USB mode" means that the Dingoo(using linux) can only be used connected to the PC?

T_hairy_bootson · 02 July 2009, 22:58

You do not need Linux on your PC to install it and the dingoo does not need to be connected to the PC to run Linux anymore. I havent installed it yet (because I am lazy or not had the time yet)

Here is the "dingux" page http://www.dingux.com/
And here is a good blog for keeping up with the latest releases/news: http://dingoo-scene.blogspot.com/

This is a new launcher for dingux. Before this you had to use the command line to launch stuff in dingux:
[ Show youtube player ]

I believe MAME is being ported for dingoo Linux only atm. You may as well jump on board the dingux bandwagon, looks like all the cool stuff is coming out for it and you still have access to the original dingoo OS.

02 July 2009, 23:19

? sometimes you piss me off with your methodical analysis of everything obtuse !

Zetr0 · 03 July 2009, 12:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by aphextwinned

? sometimes you piss me off with your methodical analysis of everything obtuse !

irony is, in this quote there is no direct name, yet I am sure everyone knows whom you refer...

truth is though, he has a very valid point (as always

) a second hand PSP slim 2000 or 1000 both can be got for around £60 for a basic second hand model will serve you so well..

one just needs to accept the fact that once you have the PSP its no longer SONY's so hack the damn thing and make it your own.

I have 30 Playstation 1 games on my PSP and 18 PSP titles, (also I have Snes emulator with 80 games (80% of games DONT slow down), Megadrive emulator (120%) with over 100 games (including megaCD titles!), Gameboy Advance Emu with 60 games (Flawless), FUSE specky emu (lol) with 1.3gb of specky games, PSPVice cb64 emu with over 500 titles)...

the wifie bought me the psp-slim as I humming and harrring over getting one for a year.... I dont play enough games I said..... blah blah....

oh silly me....

I have upgraded the battery from 1200mAh to 3600mAh, I have a CR-5400 with dual 16GB MicroSD cards in giving 29.8GB of storage

so I have spent well into another £100 on it since I have had it.

GP2x IMHO is over rated, and can JUST about run a DivX movie, when deciding on what I wanted from a hand-held I put a little comparrison together.

Remember prices are a little old.

john4p · 03 July 2009, 13:07

I'm also very happy with my PSP (fullspeed Playstation, Genesis, Sega CD, PC Engine, NES, C64, etc. plus PSP hits like "Dracula X Chronicles" and "Silent Hill Zero").
But now the GP2X Wiz is available which runs by default at 533MHz and can safely be overclocked to at least 700 MHz (even 800 MHz is often possible, depends on the chip).

UAE4All 0.8.0 has just been ported a couple of days ago. Turrican is reported to run fullspeed with sound.
Turrican II and Superfrog need frameskip 1 for "full speed" with sound. But that's still 25fps and very bearable on a handheld.

The Wiz is quite cheap, too, so I'm really considering getting one after all (since the Pandora just refuses to get completed).

So for Amiga 500-emulation, MAME-emulation and those SNES-titles that run crappy on the PSP (like "Super Turrican", "Mega Man 7", "Chrono Trigger", "Super Mario RPG", and quite a few more) the Wiz is currently the best gaming handheld.

(Unless you can jailbreak your new iPhone 3G S - which has the same CPU and GPU as the Pandora will have - and attach gaming controls to it.)

frikilokooo · 04 July 2009, 03:00

Any site to buy a cheap and new WIZ?please

TCD · 04 July 2009, 08:09

http://www.gp2xstore.com/gp2x-wiz-ha...e-console.html
They even offer free shipping to Spain

john4p · 04 July 2009, 08:15

At www.adictron.eu you can buy it for 140 Euros + 5 Euro postage.

edit: TCD was faster.

@frikilokooo: You shouldn't expect too much from the Wiz, however. Its predecessor, the GP2X, could already run Turrican II "fullspeed" with sound at frameskip 2 when overclocked to 275MHz.
There seems to be a bottleneck related to its memory access which prevents the Wiz from being really twice as fast. It's faster than the GP2X, but not by that much as the 700MHz might make you believe...

Btw., Apidya crawls at unplayable speed. Still many Amiga 500-games work "fullspeed" with sound at frameskip 1 (okay, for me fullspeed means frameskip 0 and 50fps - that's why I write it quoted).

frikilokooo · 04 July 2009, 10:51

thanks mates!

Don't worry john4p,I don't expect very good Amiga emulation.

lilalurl · 04 July 2009, 11:50

If anyone has a Wiz or intend to get one, I would not mind a report on how UFO and Terror From The Deep fare.

I could not find any video or detailed reviews online. The only useful information I found was in a changelog which mentioned speed improvements (meaning that they don't run at full speed?).

frikilokooo · 11 July 2009, 10:41

I wonder if the WIZ is compatible with its predecessor because it has a lot more stuff at the moment like Spectrum or CPC emulation.

I can not wait for the WIZ.I'm very much enjoying the Dingoo and I'll enjoy it much more WIZ

frikilokooo · 11 July 2009, 10:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by john4p

But now the GP2X Wiz is available which runs by default at 533MHz and can safely be overclocked to at least 700 MHz (even 800 MHz is often possible, depends on the chip).

how to get overclocked?installing some program like in the Dingoo?(the Dingoo not working full speed to default) or with hardware mods?

T_hairy_bootson · 11 July 2009, 12:07

If the wiz is anything like the gp2x the individual programs (emulators) will have an over clock option. gp2x software is not binary compatible with the wiz it needs to be recompiled for the wiz.

T_hairy_bootson · 13 July 2009, 07:27

Managed to get a chance to install dingoo linux (dingux) on the weekend, only tried Snes9x so far which is much smoother and more compatible than the dingoo default firmware SNES emu.

Zetr0 · 13 July 2009, 08:39

@THB

have you a PSP? would you say the emu is better dingo?

can it run wing-commander at reasonable speed? what about Flight of the Falcon ?

T_hairy_bootson · 13 July 2009, 09:32

I'll give those a try zetr0, I don't really use the PSP as an emulation machine due to mine being a first gen phattie with the slow LCD, so if you can recommend which snes emu to use I will compare it to the dingux snes9x.

The dingux version of snes9x is a very quick and dirty port and its already very impressive.

Mame4all was ported to dingux as well by the maintainer of the gp32 build, yet to try that but its on my list. Although I cant imagine it being as fast as the gp2x version as that has arm asm 68000 and z80 cores and is considerably faster and more compatible than the PSP version.

frikilokooo · 08 August 2009, 14:01

I have the WIZ and the Dingoo,I must say there is not much difference between them especially now that Dingoo have new emulators such as MAME and the Spectrum,although I have not even tried MAME on Dingoo should go well like CPS / NeoGeo emulators.However Missing Amiga emulator on Dingoo still.Much lighter and finer the Dingoo.I prefer the WIZ buttons especially on beat em up games,the buttons Dingoo not bad at all though.Highly recommended both consoles

hitchhikr · 08 August 2009, 15:54

I ordered a dingoo last week.
It's an interesting little console from a programming stand point: basically it's just a all-in-one processor based on MIPS32 architecture with an integrated AC97 codec and some other parts to control the sd cards, usb, lcd, etc,. Apparently there's also a 4gb NAND inside the console which is good.

But the part that really makes it interesting to me is the SIMD instructions set extension added to the processor (there's no FPU on board apparently), i think it's more or less equivalent to Intel's SSE extension and i don't think that they've been used in homebrew emulators yet (?), it surely improves graphic rendering and could also be used for 3D too (i even wonder if it would be possible to emulate a PS1 with all this),

All in all, it's much easier to program that multi-chips/multi-processors consoles, the OS is open source and rather small (they use uCOS-II), + there's a TV out, all win.

02 July 2009, 22:58	#44
T_hairy_bootson Workbitch 1.3 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 46 Posts: 2,084	You do not need Linux on your PC to install it and the dingoo does not need to be connected to the PC to run Linux anymore. I havent installed it yet (because I am lazy or not had the time yet) Here is the "dingux" page http://www.dingux.com/ And here is a good blog for keeping up with the latest releases/news: http://dingoo-scene.blogspot.com/ This is a new launcher for dingux. Before this you had to use the command line to launch stuff in dingux: [ Show youtube player ] I believe MAME is being ported for dingoo Linux only atm. You may as well jump on board the dingux bandwagon, looks like all the cool stuff is coming out for it and you still have access to the original dingoo OS. Last edited by T_hairy_bootson; 02 July 2009 at 23:09.

02 July 2009, 23:19	#45
aphextwinned Posts: n/a	Alexh ? sometimes you piss me off with your methodical analysis of everything obtuse !

04 July 2009, 08:15	#50
john4p Competition Moderator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 4,756	At www.adictron.eu you can buy it for 140 Euros + 5 Euro postage. edit: TCD was faster. @frikilokooo: You shouldn't expect too much from the Wiz, however. Its predecessor, the GP2X, could already run Turrican II "fullspeed" with sound at frameskip 2 when overclocked to 275MHz. There seems to be a bottleneck related to its memory access which prevents the Wiz from being really twice as fast. It's faster than the GP2X, but not by that much as the 700MHz might make you believe... Btw., Apidya crawls at unplayable speed. Still many Amiga 500-games work "fullspeed" with sound at frameskip 1 (okay, for me fullspeed means frameskip 0 and 50fps - that's why I write it quoted). Last edited by john4p; 04 July 2009 at 08:56.

04 July 2009, 11:50	#52
lilalurl Global Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: France Posts: 3,289	Wiz If anyone has a Wiz or intend to get one, I would not mind a report on how UFO and Terror From The Deep fare. I could not find any video or detailed reviews online. The only useful information I found was in a changelog which mentioned speed improvements (meaning that they don't run at full speed?).

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02 July 2009, 18:20	#42
Anemos 70X7 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Ἑλλάς Posts: 1,078	THB, have testing the Linux boot on your Dingoo?

03 July 2009, 13:07	#47
john4p Competition Moderator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 4,756	I'm also very happy with my PSP (fullspeed Playstation, Genesis, Sega CD, PC Engine, NES, C64, etc. plus PSP hits like "Dracula X Chronicles" and "Silent Hill Zero"). But now the GP2X Wiz is available which runs by default at 533MHz and can safely be overclocked to at least 700 MHz (even 800 MHz is often possible, depends on the chip). UAE4All 0.8.0 has just been ported a couple of days ago. Turrican is reported to run fullspeed with sound. Turrican II and Superfrog need frameskip 1 for "full speed" with sound. But that's still 25fps and very bearable on a handheld. The Wiz is quite cheap, too, so I'm really considering getting one after all (since the Pandora just refuses to get completed). So for Amiga 500-emulation, MAME-emulation and those SNES-titles that run crappy on the PSP (like "Super Turrican", "Mega Man 7", "Chrono Trigger", "Super Mario RPG", and quite a few more) the Wiz is currently the best gaming handheld. (Unless you can jailbreak your new iPhone 3G S - which has the same CPU and GPU as the Pandora will have - and attach gaming controls to it.)

04 July 2009, 03:00	#48
frikilokooo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Mallorca,Spain. Age: 44 Posts: 1,154	Any site to buy a cheap and new WIZ?please

04 July 2009, 08:09	#49
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,518	http://www.gp2xstore.com/gp2x-wiz-ha...e-console.html They even offer free shipping to Spain

04 July 2009, 10:51	#51
frikilokooo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Mallorca,Spain. Age: 44 Posts: 1,154	thanks mates! Don't worry john4p,I don't expect very good Amiga emulation.

11 July 2009, 10:41	#53
frikilokooo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Mallorca,Spain. Age: 44 Posts: 1,154	I wonder if the WIZ is compatible with its predecessor because it has a lot more stuff at the moment like Spectrum or CPC emulation. I can not wait for the WIZ.I'm very much enjoying the Dingoo and I'll enjoy it much more WIZ

11 July 2009, 12:07	#55
T_hairy_bootson Workbitch 1.3 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 46 Posts: 2,084	If the wiz is anything like the gp2x the individual programs (emulators) will have an over clock option. gp2x software is not binary compatible with the wiz it needs to be recompiled for the wiz.

13 July 2009, 07:27	#56
T_hairy_bootson Workbitch 1.3 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 46 Posts: 2,084	Managed to get a chance to install dingoo linux (dingux) on the weekend, only tried Snes9x so far which is much smoother and more compatible than the dingoo default firmware SNES emu.

13 July 2009, 08:39	#57
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@THB have you a PSP? would you say the emu is better dingo? can it run wing-commander at reasonable speed? what about Flight of the Falcon ?

13 July 2009, 09:32	#58
T_hairy_bootson Workbitch 1.3 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 46 Posts: 2,084	I'll give those a try zetr0, I don't really use the PSP as an emulation machine due to mine being a first gen phattie with the slow LCD, so if you can recommend which snes emu to use I will compare it to the dingux snes9x. The dingux version of snes9x is a very quick and dirty port and its already very impressive. Mame4all was ported to dingux as well by the maintainer of the gp32 build, yet to try that but its on my list. Although I cant imagine it being as fast as the gp2x version as that has arm asm 68000 and z80 cores and is considerably faster and more compatible than the PSP version.

08 August 2009, 14:01	#59
frikilokooo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Mallorca,Spain. Age: 44 Posts: 1,154	I have the WIZ and the Dingoo,I must say there is not much difference between them especially now that Dingoo have new emulators such as MAME and the Spectrum,although I have not even tried MAME on Dingoo should go well like CPS / NeoGeo emulators.However Missing Amiga emulator on Dingoo still.Much lighter and finer the Dingoo.I prefer the WIZ buttons especially on beat em up games,the buttons Dingoo not bad at all though.Highly recommended both consoles

08 August 2009, 15:54	#60
hitchhikr Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: somewhere else Posts: 511	I ordered a dingoo last week. It's an interesting little console from a programming stand point: basically it's just a all-in-one processor based on MIPS32 architecture with an integrated AC97 codec and some other parts to control the sd cards, usb, lcd, etc,. Apparently there's also a 4gb NAND inside the console which is good. But the part that really makes it interesting to me is the SIMD instructions set extension added to the processor (there's no FPU on board apparently), i think it's more or less equivalent to Intel's SSE extension and i don't think that they've been used in homebrew emulators yet (?), it surely improves graphic rendering and could also be used for 3D too (i even wonder if it would be possible to emulate a PS1 with all this), All in all, it's much easier to program that multi-chips/multi-processors consoles, the OS is open source and rather small (they use uCOS-II), + there's a TV out, all win.

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