Amithlon in Stock

tero · 28 September 2009, 09:43

I mailed to Softhut if this is up to date:
http://www.softhut.com/cgi-bin/test/...=9830805_80655

The answer i received today:
Yes we do have a few pieces in stock

So all the guys asking for Amithlon everywhere - here's your chance

cosmicfrog · 28 September 2009, 10:57

that is great news

but price seems a bit steep to me

tero · 28 September 2009, 11:08

With the age in mind it could be cheaper,
but i guess it's ok.
After all it includes AmigaWriter/ArtEffect/StormC/StormScreenManager
and QNX
And it's a bit faster as the a4000t/060 they've got for up to 2000$

(oh hell i want that machine

)

alexh · 28 September 2009, 12:30

The author doesn't get any money for the sales of this item. There is no more development of this product for legal reasons.

Probably better to find an Amithlon spec PC second hand and spend your hard earned money on something else which will be a re-investment into the community? No?

Plus the AMIthlon OSxl CD was sold illegally without licenses for Kickstart or Workbench so surely it is no less immoral to rip it off?

Don't feel bad for SoftHut, they have a habit of selling illegal software

Charlie · 28 September 2009, 13:12

This is wrong in so many ways...

TCD · 28 September 2009, 13:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

Don't feel bad for SoftHut, they have a habit of selling illegal software

28 $ for an illegal Ambermoon that you can get legally for free? Wow! That's surely cheekily.

alexh · 28 September 2009, 13:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Ambermoon that you can get legally for free?

The legal part is a bit woolly but the free part is true.

Someone, somewhere owns the rights, but it certainly wasn't the company formally known as Alive Mediasoft who manufactured the discs that SoftHut are selling.

tero · 28 September 2009, 15:05

If it is old Stock from times where it was Legal,
he can sell it legal, or not?

Nobody cares about the Computer, it's much too expensive
but the Amithlon CD's (even when expensive too) have
reachable Price - Remembering that Amithlon is a rare even on ebay...

TCD · 28 September 2009, 15:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by tero

If it is old Stock from times where it was Legal,
he can sell it legal, or not?

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

Someone, somewhere owns the rights, but it certainly wasn't the company formally known as Alive Mediasoft who manufactured the discs.

Seems like the stock never was legal. Not to mention that even if it was legal 28 $ is a ripoff price.

tero · 28 September 2009, 15:26

Paying for a game i can get for free, i wouldn't do(legal or not)
but how about the legal status of the Amithlon CD's?
I don't care, i have it already - but i know there are much people searching
for it.
It is an often asked questions on different boards

Charlie · 28 September 2009, 16:25

FWIW:
I'd love to see Amithlon for sale legally - even now with years of no development it's a worthwhile piece of software...
...but it's never been legal to sell:
1st - because the rights to the A.(st)inc IP were never secured, even if that was only because A.(st)inc were a bunch of tw*ts about it.
2nd - Bernie Meyer withdrew the licence to his contribution (most of it) when he got sh*fted over the A.(st)inc licensing issue.

Such a shame... AND this resulted in Umilator never seeing the light of day.

Generally there can't be much wrong with selling old stock but Amithlon is in a regrettably peculiar situation - can't be sold so does that make it the most abandoned of 'abandonware'..?

alexh · 28 September 2009, 17:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by tero

If it is old Stock from times where it was Legal, he can sell it legal, or not?

The stock was never legal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tero

but how about the legal status of the Amithlon CD's?

Illegal. As I said originally.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie

can't be sold so does that make it the most abandoned of 'abandonware'..?

Abandonware is fictional. A terminology invented so software pirates can sleep better at night.

Charlie · 28 September 2009, 18:05

...hence the quotes

tero · 28 September 2009, 19:49

At least interesting infos about the legal's here
Seems i mixed some Amithlon memorys with Umilator
i had in mind that Amithlon was selled legal temporarily

Maybe a last noob question:
Softhut confirmed per Mail that they have some Amithlon to sell,
If someone is going to buy this, then from lawyers side softhut is
the bad guy, right?

MagerValp · 28 September 2009, 20:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

Don't feel bad for SoftHut, they have a habit of selling illegal software

Huh, I thought as much. I ordered kick 3.1 for my A2000 last year, and got a pair of EPROMs with home made labels saying Kickstart Amiga 2000 v40.68 (which does not exist, it's 40.63 for 500/2000). I sent them back for a replacement, but he claimed he never received them.

tero · 28 September 2009, 20:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagerValp

Huh, I thought as much. I ordered kick 3.1 for my A2000 last year, and got a pair of EPROMs with home made labels saying Kickstart Amiga 2000 v40.68 (which does not exist, it's 40.63 for 500/2000). I sent them back for a replacement, but he claimed he never received them.

Hope for the Amithlon CD's that they're not CDR's (150$ for them 'ouch')

alexh · 28 September 2009, 20:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagerValp

I ordered kick 3.1 for my A2000 last year, and got a pair of EPROMs with home made labels saying Kickstart Amiga 2000 v40.68 (which does not exist, it's 40.63 for 500/2000).

Power Computing sold me a KS 3.1 v40.70 beta for my A3000, a revision which never officially went on sale. I'm pretty sure no Amiga shop pays anyone royalties on KS ROMs anymore, they just warez them. After all who will ever know? (Not that I endorse such behaviour

)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagerValp

I sent them back for a replacement, but he claimed he never received them.

I always post returns as recorded delivery then you have a paper trail.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tero

Hope for the Amithlon CD's that they're not CDR's (150$ for them 'ouch')

I bet they all were CD-R direct from publishers H&P. Glass masters for CD's cost a lot of money. Doubtful they pressed such small volumes. But you never know.

prowler · 28 September 2009, 21:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

I always post returns as recorded delivery then you have a paper trail.

That's very sensible, Alex, and something I always do.

I have had three instances of companies denying they received items I have returned, only to find it languishing in their 'Goods Inward' when I have been able to confirm delivery and (if necessary) tell them who signed for it!

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

I bet they all were CD-R direct from publishers H&P. Glass masters for CD's cost a lot of money. Doubtful they pressed such small volumes. But you never know.

My original copy of Amithlon/AmigaOS XL is not a CD-R.

alexh · 28 September 2009, 21:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by prowler

My original copy of Amithlon/AmigaOS XL is not a CD-R.

Perhaps glass masters are much cheaper these days, they used to be over £1000.

TCD · 28 September 2009, 21:14

You can get 300 pressed CDs including the master for about 500 € here. Given that selling them for 150 $ isn't a bad deal at all

28 September 2009, 09:43	#1
tero Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: M'Gladbach Age: 46 Posts: 621	Amithlon in Stock I mailed to Softhut if this is up to date: http://www.softhut.com/cgi-bin/test/...=9830805_80655 The answer i received today: Yes we do have a few pieces in stock So all the guys asking for Amithlon everywhere - here's your chance

28 September 2009, 11:08	#3
tero Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: M'Gladbach Age: 46 Posts: 621	With the age in mind it could be cheaper, but i guess it's ok. After all it includes AmigaWriter/ArtEffect/StormC/StormScreenManager and QNX And it's a bit faster as the a4000t/060 they've got for up to 2000$ (oh hell i want that machine)

28 September 2009, 12:30	#4
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,331	The author doesn't get any money for the sales of this item. There is no more development of this product for legal reasons. Probably better to find an Amithlon spec PC second hand and spend your hard earned money on something else which will be a re-investment into the community? No? Plus the AMIthlon OSxl CD was sold illegally without licenses for Kickstart or Workbench so surely it is no less immoral to rip it off? Don't feel bad for SoftHut, they have a habit of selling illegal software Last edited by alexh; 28 September 2009 at 12:41.

28 September 2009, 16:25	#11
Charlie . . Mouse . . Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nowhere Age: 55 Posts: 1,792	FWIW: I'd love to see Amithlon for sale legally - even now with years of no development it's a worthwhile piece of software... ...but it's never been legal to sell: 1st - because the rights to the A.(st)inc IP were never secured, even if that was only because A.(st)inc were a bunch of twts about it. 2nd - Bernie Meyer withdrew the licence to his contribution (most of it) when he got shfted over the A.(st)inc licensing issue. Such a shame... AND this resulted in Umilator never seeing the light of day. Generally there can't be much wrong with selling old stock but Amithlon is in a regrettably peculiar situation - can't be sold so does that make it the most abandoned of 'abandonware'..? Last edited by Charlie; 28 September 2009 at 17:45.

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28 September 2009, 10:57	#2
cosmicfrog The 1 who ribbits Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: leek, Staffs, UK Age: 56 Posts: 3,557	that is great news but price seems a bit steep to me

28 September 2009, 13:12	#5
Charlie . . Mouse . . Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nowhere Age: 55 Posts: 1,792	This is wrong in so many ways...

28 September 2009, 15:05	#8
tero Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: M'Gladbach Age: 46 Posts: 621	If it is old Stock from times where it was Legal, he can sell it legal, or not? Nobody cares about the Computer, it's much too expensive but the Amithlon CD's (even when expensive too) have reachable Price - Remembering that Amithlon is a rare even on ebay...

28 September 2009, 15:26	#10
tero Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: M'Gladbach Age: 46 Posts: 621	Paying for a game i can get for free, i wouldn't do(legal or not) but how about the legal status of the Amithlon CD's? I don't care, i have it already - but i know there are much people searching for it. It is an often asked questions on different boards

28 September 2009, 18:05	#13
Charlie . . Mouse . . Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nowhere Age: 55 Posts: 1,792	...hence the quotes

28 September 2009, 19:49	#14
tero Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: M'Gladbach Age: 46 Posts: 621	At least interesting infos about the legal's here Seems i mixed some Amithlon memorys with Umilator i had in mind that Amithlon was selled legal temporarily Maybe a last noob question: Softhut confirmed per Mail that they have some Amithlon to sell, If someone is going to buy this, then from lawyers side softhut is the bad guy, right?

28 September 2009, 21:14	#20
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,518	You can get 300 pressed CDs including the master for about 500 € here. Given that selling them for 150 $ isn't a bad deal at all

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