Is all dumping done now exclusively with Kyroflux?

Amiga1992 · 27 August 2012, 23:02

I don't have a Kyroflux nor will I buy one but I found some disks that I thought might be nice to have imaged.

I remember before I used the CAPS tool to dump them, is that still valid?

prowler · 27 August 2012, 23:12

My understanding is that if you have a KryoFlux, then it will do everything the CAPS dumping tools do and more.

However, if you don't have a KryoFlux, then CAPS tools dumps are still valid.

Amiga1992 · 27 August 2012, 23:34

These are not absolute rarities though so they may not be needed, but I think I do have some alternate versions. Will give it a try when I get back home!

lesta_smsc · 28 August 2012, 02:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

I don't have a Kyroflux nor will I buy one but I found some disks that I thought might be nice to have imaged.

I remember before I used the CAPS tool to dump them, is that still valid?

Silly question (and I have searched but keep getting re-directed to Kryoflux by some means or another), but what is this CAPS tool and can it be run on an original Amiga to dump images or does it require specialised hardware?

BarryB · 28 August 2012, 12:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by lesta_smsc

Silly question (and I have searched but keep getting re-directed to Kryoflux by some means or another), but what is this CAPS tool and can it be run on an original Amiga to dump images or does it require specialised hardware?

CAPS Tool is the Amiga dumping solution before Kryoflux was produced, so you can still dump images with CAPS Tool on a real Amiga and submit them, the only caveat is you need a 68020 or higher CPU to be able to dump images.

Amiga1992 · 28 August 2012, 16:16

Can't this tool still be downloaded from the SPS website?

mr.vince · 28 August 2012, 18:12

It will not be of any use to you as the image files it generates can only be used to create IPFs with another software (not available to the general public).

BarryB · 28 August 2012, 18:54

But if he had a Kryoflux + kaffers Amiga-Disk-Utilities....

Keir · 29 August 2012, 01:30

I would support CT-dumped image files too, if there were any documentation or open reference implementations for the format.

Anyone seriously enough into dumping/analysing to get into mfmparse themselves should seriously consider getting a Kryoflux though. It's awesome!

mr.vince · 29 August 2012, 08:11

That would be putting work into a dead horse... We've decided to let it rot - there is so much else we would like to do. The old capture tool is only supported for legacy reasons, so we encourage everyone to go with stream.

Marcuz · 29 August 2012, 10:31

heh isn't SPS about putting work into dead horses?

Amiga1992 · 29 August 2012, 10:54

I know i can't make an IPF, i was hoping I could submit my output from the caps tool to the SPS team. So I assume then that I was right? That without a Kyroflux I cannot contribute to software preservation anymore? That's quite sad.

Keir · 29 August 2012, 11:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

I know i can't make an IPF, i was hoping I could submit my output from the caps tool to the SPS team. So I assume then that I was right? That without a Kyroflux I cannot contribute to software preservation anymore? That's quite sad.

My understanding is that it is still an accepted way to create dumps for submission to SPS.

BarryB · 29 August 2012, 23:20

Before I got my Kryoflux I contacted SPS regards contributing and told them I'd submitted a test dump using the CAPS tool which they acknowledged so they must still accept that method.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcuz

heh isn't SPS about putting work into dead horses?

I think more like Dead Disks

stainy · 30 August 2012, 00:14

I`m thinking about getting one of these!.. I guess I don`t need an Amiga floppy? would any pc floppy would do? what about a USB floppy?

prowler · 30 August 2012, 00:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by stainy

I guess I don`t need an Amiga floppy? would any pc floppy would do? what about a USB floppy?

Any PC floppy drive with standard IDC 34-pin interface, but not a USB drive.

Edit: The best drives to use have a cast chassis, not a sheet metal chassis, and Sony drives are particularly good.

BarryB · 30 August 2012, 17:33

I use a couple of Sony MPF920-E's, dumped hundreds of disks with them and they are on the list of drives confirmed working 100% with Kryoflux

See this thread on the Kryoflux forum:

http://forum.kryoflux.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4

mai · 30 August 2012, 18:35

@mr.vince
Why not replying to the first post?(from a SPS-team member)
Would be interesting, if the old tool is still a valid tool for dumping.

mr.vince · 30 August 2012, 20:11

I assumed that not objecting to those that said it still is meant it is still ok to do so.

While we recommend KryoFlux for certain protections because of the resolution (it will read nearly faulty disks better), the classic dumping tool still works.

stainy · 30 August 2012, 21:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by BarryB

I use a couple of Sony MPF920-E's, dumped hundreds of disks with them and they are on the list of drives confirmed working 100% with Kryoflux

See this thread on the Kryoflux forum:

http://forum.kryoflux.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4

Can I buy one of these drives? I mean, is there sites that sell drives that I aearch for a particular make etc.. or just be lucky my old pc drive will work..

27 August 2012, 23:02	#1
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	Is all dumping done now exclusively with Kyroflux? I don't have a Kyroflux nor will I buy one but I found some disks that I thought might be nice to have imaged. I remember before I used the CAPS tool to dump them, is that still valid?

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27 August 2012, 23:12	#2
prowler Global Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sidcup, England Posts: 10,300	My understanding is that if you have a KryoFlux, then it will do everything the CAPS dumping tools do and more. However, if you don't have a KryoFlux, then CAPS tools dumps are still valid.

27 August 2012, 23:34	#3
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	These are not absolute rarities though so they may not be needed, but I think I do have some alternate versions. Will give it a try when I get back home!

28 August 2012, 16:16	#6
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	Can't this tool still be downloaded from the SPS website?

28 August 2012, 18:12	#7
mr.vince Cheesy crust Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hawk's Creek Age: 48 Posts: 1,383	It will not be of any use to you as the image files it generates can only be used to create IPFs with another software (not available to the general public).

28 August 2012, 18:54	#8
BarryB Amigaholic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: UK Posts: 4,704	But if he had a Kryoflux + kaffers Amiga-Disk-Utilities....

29 August 2012, 01:30	#9
Keir Registered User Join Date: May 2011 Location: Cambridge Posts: 682	I would support CT-dumped image files too, if there were any documentation or open reference implementations for the format. Anyone seriously enough into dumping/analysing to get into mfmparse themselves should seriously consider getting a Kryoflux though. It's awesome!

29 August 2012, 08:11	#10
mr.vince Cheesy crust Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hawk's Creek Age: 48 Posts: 1,383	That would be putting work into a dead horse... We've decided to let it rot - there is so much else we would like to do. The old capture tool is only supported for legacy reasons, so we encourage everyone to go with stream.

29 August 2012, 10:31	#11
Marcuz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: . Age: 48 Posts: 5,562	heh isn't SPS about putting work into dead horses?

29 August 2012, 10:54	#12
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	I know i can't make an IPF, i was hoping I could submit my output from the caps tool to the SPS team. So I assume then that I was right? That without a Kyroflux I cannot contribute to software preservation anymore? That's quite sad.

30 August 2012, 00:14	#15
stainy Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Concord, NC, USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,712	I`m thinking about getting one of these!.. I guess I don`t need an Amiga floppy? would any pc floppy would do? what about a USB floppy?

30 August 2012, 17:33	#17
BarryB Amigaholic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: UK Posts: 4,704	I use a couple of Sony MPF920-E's, dumped hundreds of disks with them and they are on the list of drives confirmed working 100% with Kryoflux See this thread on the Kryoflux forum: http://forum.kryoflux.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4

30 August 2012, 18:35	#18
mai Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Federativnaya Respublika Germaniya Posts: 4,994	@mr.vince Why not replying to the first post?(from a SPS-team member) Would be interesting, if the old tool is still a valid tool for dumping.

30 August 2012, 20:11	#19
mr.vince Cheesy crust Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hawk's Creek Age: 48 Posts: 1,383	I assumed that not objecting to those that said it still is meant it is still ok to do so. While we recommend KryoFlux for certain protections because of the resolution (it will read nearly faulty disks better), the classic dumping tool still works.

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