Winuae 1.3.2 vs Real Amiga

10 September 2006, 23:53

Hello.
I've connected my pc to television set. Of course i use it for winuae. And my question is: is it possible to recognize that it isn't real amiga ?? In my opinion it would be hard. Put two tv sets one next to another.Connect first to real amiga on the second winuae (the same game on both). Would you be able to say which is real ??

Paul · 11 September 2006, 11:35

As this is not a WinUAE problem I've moved your thread to Retrogaming General Discussion

alexh · 11 September 2006, 12:26

The answer is yes. You could see the difference and it would be very easy to see which one is real.

rare_j · 11 September 2006, 13:43

What's the definitive test in your opinion?

CFou! · 11 September 2006, 14:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

The answer is yes. You could see the difference and it would be very easy to see which one is real.

i am agreed

pbareges · 11 September 2006, 14:52

in winuae you can't get the sound of floppy drive waiting for food !!

from the last time i tried emulation, the worst problem was sound rendering...(buffer delays) but maybe it's now totally fixed with enhanced machines...i guess there are still some compatibility issues + i can't stand the fact that you need a dedicated config for each game....whdload rocks on real amigas!!

alexh · 11 September 2006, 14:53

Interlacing.

All PC TV outputs will be interlaced regardless of the WinUAE screen resolution. This will result in some flickering / fuzzing of the picture even with a good flicker fixer in the TV output stage of your gfx card. Enabling vsync in WinUAE might help (if it really was the vsync of the TV out) but it would still be noticable.

Amiga non interlaced screens will be single field and be rock solid.

The difference will be quite noticable.

If it were possible to correctly program the TV card and force non-interlaced output, and VSYNC worked as you would expect then it would be MUCH harder to "spot the difference".

The fact that no-one has done this for the XBOX1 emulators just shows how difficult this low-level programming is and how little information there is about the registers in TV encoders.

_ThEcRoW · 11 September 2006, 15:50

@pbareges

I hear the drive clicking in winuae with my attached Catweasel MKIV. In fact the pc drive performs as a real Amiga diskdrive!!

boing_1000 · 11 September 2006, 16:06

Howd you get it to do that???

Ultron · 12 September 2006, 12:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbareges

in winuae you can't get the sound of floppy drive waiting for food !!

from the last time i tried emulation, the worst problem was sound rendering...(buffer delays) but maybe it's now totally fixed with enhanced machines...

It ain't.

Quote:

i guess there are still some compatibility issues + i can't stand the fact that you need a dedicated config for each game....whdload rocks on real amigas!!

Same here. If properly emulated - by the emulator - most games should run on either an A500 or A1200 stock machine emulation. They don't.

10 September 2006, 23:53	#1
Dillon Posts: n/a	Winuae 1.3.2 vs Real Amiga Hello. I've connected my pc to television set. Of course i use it for winuae. And my question is: is it possible to recognize that it isn't real amiga ?? In my opinion it would be hard. Put two tv sets one next to another.Connect first to real amiga on the second winuae (the same game on both). Would you be able to say which is real ??

11 September 2006, 14:53	#7
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,343	Interlacing. All PC TV outputs will be interlaced regardless of the WinUAE screen resolution. This will result in some flickering / fuzzing of the picture even with a good flicker fixer in the TV output stage of your gfx card. Enabling vsync in WinUAE might help (if it really was the vsync of the TV out) but it would still be noticable. Amiga non interlaced screens will be single field and be rock solid. The difference will be quite noticable. If it were possible to correctly program the TV card and force non-interlaced output, and VSYNC worked as you would expect then it would be MUCH harder to "spot the difference". The fact that no-one has done this for the XBOX1 emulators just shows how difficult this low-level programming is and how little information there is about the registers in TV encoders. Last edited by alexh; 11 September 2006 at 15:03.

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11 September 2006, 11:35	#2
Paul RIP Friends Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: UK Posts: 2,157	As this is not a WinUAE problem I've moved your thread to Retrogaming General Discussion

11 September 2006, 12:26	#3
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,343	The answer is yes. You could see the difference and it would be very easy to see which one is real.

11 September 2006, 13:43	#4
rare_j Zone Friend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 1,176	What's the definitive test in your opinion?

11 September 2006, 14:52	#6
pbareges Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: montreal / canada Age: 47 Posts: 722	in winuae you can't get the sound of floppy drive waiting for food !! from the last time i tried emulation, the worst problem was sound rendering...(buffer delays) but maybe it's now totally fixed with enhanced machines...i guess there are still some compatibility issues + i can't stand the fact that you need a dedicated config for each game....whdload rocks on real amigas!!

11 September 2006, 15:50	#8
_ThEcRoW Amiga NetRunner Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Spain Age: 45 Posts: 941	@pbareges I hear the drive clicking in winuae with my attached Catweasel MKIV. In fact the pc drive performs as a real Amiga diskdrive!!

11 September 2006, 16:06	#9
boing_1000 A1000 Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Eastern USA Age: 37 Posts: 567	Howd you get it to do that???

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