Lionheart - Shifted line problem on AGA machines

viddi · 30 April 2017, 20:30

Hi!

There´s a big problem on AGA machines (ECS works fine).

The parallax levels suffer from a shifted line while jumping.
Please check it out and you´ll see it.

Is this fixable?

[ Show youtube player ]

StingRay · 30 April 2017, 21:03

Looks like a classic "not waiting for the correct vertical blank" problem.

viddi · 30 April 2017, 21:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by StingRay

Looks like a classic "not waiting for the correct vertical blank" problem.

Ah! This occurs in combination with the "3D" swamp...

viddi · 01 May 2017, 11:42

Mhh...this should be fixed.
It's one of the best Amiga games and it should run without gfx bugs on AGA machines.

WHDload version?!?!

viddi · 03 May 2017, 21:52

No one? Come on, who can patch it?

viddi · 27 April 2018, 12:14

*Bump*

I recently checked the latest WHDload install and the problem still remains.

Why are you guys satisfied with this problem on AGA machines?!

apex · 27 April 2018, 13:05

Not satisfied too, do insert it into the mantis bugtracker?

Mrz · 27 April 2018, 14:11

lionheart works perfect on AGA
what shifted line are you talking about? I can't see nothing
that's a refresh issue, use vsync or try different vsyncs or use a 50 hz or 100 hz screen

Retro-Nerd · 27 April 2018, 14:19

Viddi means real hardware. Though i never noticed it, and i tried hard looking for it on my A1200+CRT TV. Emulation is fine too for me.

Nibbler · 27 April 2018, 14:33

Thats just how it is. Alot of games that pushed the Hardware with clever tricks had some small glitches. Thalion knew about this but they left it in.

Lionheart is one of the best made Amiga games imo. One of my Amiga favorites.
Its awesome, AGA or not

You can trust Thalion, they knew what they where doing. hehe (T_T)
Please enjoy this wonderfull game (best with a great joypad and 2 buttons imo)
I LOVE Lionheart, on my A600 Furia or CD32 Pro Module. Greatness !

ross · 27 April 2018, 15:00

It's a bug, it's hardly noticeable but is a bug.
Only on AGA because of a bad usage of extra bits of $102.

viddi · 27 April 2018, 15:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by ross

It's a bug, it's hardly noticeable but is a bug.
Only on AGA because of a bad usage of extra bits of $102.

Sorry to bother you again (after Strider

). Do you think you can fix this issue?

Nibbler · 27 April 2018, 15:41

Ross

Most people never noticed it... the AGA bug i mean. It never "bugged" me

ross · 27 April 2018, 15:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by viddi

Do you think you can fix this issue?

Yes. I send a message to jotd to tell him how to do a fix for the WHDLoad version.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nibbler

Most people never noticed it... the AGA bug i mean. It never "bugged" me

Indeed

. I do not think I'll patch the ADF version.

viddi · 27 April 2018, 15:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by ross

Yes. I send a message to jotd to tell him how to do a fix for the WHDLoad version.

Brilliant. Thanks!

Retro-Nerd · 27 April 2018, 15:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by ross

Yes. I send a message to jotd to tell him how to do a fix for the WHDLoad version.

But this is suboptimal. Psygore added full CD32 controller support in the latest WHDLoad patch, some other stuff too. This will probably ends up in 2 separate distributed WHDLoad patches since Psygore doesn't include source files.

Amiga1992 · 27 April 2018, 15:57

Psygore needs to stop doing that, it's damaging to the WHDLoad community.

ross · 27 April 2018, 16:02

Sorry, I said jotd simply because it was among the authors and I have no contact with Psygore.
I assumed that jotd also had the latest version of the sources.

jotd · 27 April 2018, 19:48

sorry, but Psygore isn't releasing the sources to me either. Even when he takes the old sources to add some feature, the source (at least the new version) becomes "closed", and Bert won't take a "regression" branch (I once disassembled a "new" slave to see that nothing much changed, so I could pass my version, but it was only once)

I've stopped worrying about that and my ulcer is better.

Try Bert (Wepl) you'll have better luck, in a PM he told me that he got some src from him...

viddi · 23 May 2018, 21:28

Any news?

30 April 2017, 20:30	#1
viddi Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Age: 44 Posts: 4,007	Lionheart - Shifted line problem on AGA machines Hi! There´s a big problem on AGA machines (ECS works fine). The parallax levels suffer from a shifted line while jumping. Please check it out and you´ll see it. Is this fixable? [ Show youtube player ] Attached Thumbnails

27 April 2018, 14:33	#10
Nibbler namm namm AMIGA Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Austria Age: 44 Posts: 734	Thats just how it is. Alot of games that pushed the Hardware with clever tricks had some small glitches. Thalion knew about this but they left it in. Lionheart is one of the best made Amiga games imo. One of my Amiga favorites. Its awesome, AGA or not You can trust Thalion, they knew what they where doing. hehe (T_T) Please enjoy this wonderfull game (best with a great joypad and 2 buttons imo) I LOVE Lionheart, on my A600 Furia or CD32 Pro Module. Greatness ! Last edited by Nibbler; 23 May 2018 at 23:41.

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30 April 2017, 21:03	#2
StingRay move.l #$c0ff33,throat Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin/Joymoney Posts: 6,863	Looks like a classic "not waiting for the correct vertical blank" problem.

01 May 2017, 11:42	#4
viddi Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Age: 44 Posts: 4,007	Mhh...this should be fixed. It's one of the best Amiga games and it should run without gfx bugs on AGA machines. WHDload version?!?!

03 May 2017, 21:52	#5
viddi Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Age: 44 Posts: 4,007	No one? Come on, who can patch it?

27 April 2018, 12:14	#6
viddi Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Age: 44 Posts: 4,007	Bump I recently checked the latest WHDload install and the problem still remains. Why are you guys satisfied with this problem on AGA machines?!

27 April 2018, 13:05	#7
apex Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Amigaplanet Posts: 645	Not satisfied too, do insert it into the mantis bugtracker?

27 April 2018, 14:11	#8
Mrz Banned Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: I Posts: 338	lionheart works perfect on AGA what shifted line are you talking about? I can't see nothing that's a refresh issue, use vsync or try different vsyncs or use a 50 hz or 100 hz screen

27 April 2018, 14:19	#9
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,435	Viddi means real hardware. Though i never noticed it, and i tried hard looking for it on my A1200+CRT TV. Emulation is fine too for me.

27 April 2018, 15:00	#11
ross Defendit numerus Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Crossing the Rubicon Age: 53 Posts: 4,468	It's a bug, it's hardly noticeable but is a bug. Only on AGA because of a bad usage of extra bits of $102.

27 April 2018, 15:41	#13
Nibbler namm namm AMIGA Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Austria Age: 44 Posts: 734	Ross Most people never noticed it... the AGA bug i mean. It never "bugged" me

27 April 2018, 15:57	#17
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	Psygore needs to stop doing that, it's damaging to the WHDLoad community.

27 April 2018, 16:02	#18
ross Defendit numerus Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Crossing the Rubicon Age: 53 Posts: 4,468	Sorry, I said jotd simply because it was among the authors and I have no contact with Psygore. I assumed that jotd also had the latest version of the sources.

27 April 2018, 19:48	#19
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,161	sorry, but Psygore isn't releasing the sources to me either. Even when he takes the old sources to add some feature, the source (at least the new version) becomes "closed", and Bert won't take a "regression" branch (I once disassembled a "new" slave to see that nothing much changed, so I could pass my version, but it was only once) I've stopped worrying about that and my ulcer is better. Try Bert (Wepl) you'll have better luck, in a PM he told me that he got some src from him...

23 May 2018, 21:28	#20
viddi Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Age: 44 Posts: 4,007	Any news?

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