AmigaOS 3.1.4! [beta]

[Ffin]

Originally Posted by asymetrix

@thread

hang on, before anyone gets too excited why not consider :

Replace ROM chip with a piggy back board that holds much larger ROM(s).

I think it would be better to replace the Kickstart ROM with a mechanism to load modules from harddrive, as AOS4.x does.


I don't know if kickstart changes are feasible for this update, but I'd like to be able to remove trackdisk.device, or at the very least only mount DF0 if a floppy drive is detected.

[gulliver]

Originally Posted by Ffin

I think it would be better to replace the Kickstart ROM with a mechanism to load modules from harddrive, as AOS4.x does.


I don't know if kickstart changes are feasible for this update, but I'd like to be able to remove trackdisk.device, or at the very least only mount DF0 if a floppy drive is detected.

Well my choice, is something along those lines, which has been already implemented back in the AmigaOS 1.4 beta days:

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=238

For some reason it does not seem to be a popular choice.

[kolla]

Don't we already have this in early startup?

[kgc210]

Originally Posted by Ffin

I think it would be better to replace the Kickstart ROM with a mechanism to load modules from harddrive, as AOS4.x does.


I don't know if kickstart changes are feasible for this update, but I'd like to be able to remove trackdisk.device, or at the very least only mount DF0 if a floppy drive is detected.

One option is you could buy the ROM when available and then make a custom ROM with it?
Although not sure on the DF0 bit, although do people use a floppy drive that often?

[Starglider 2]

This is pretty incredible. It's like Microsoft still releasing Windows XP service packs in the year 2030.

My A500+ runs Workbench 3.1. Would this be a simple to run update file?

[Locutus]

Is there any way to get in with this beta? or does it involve secret handshakes?

[bubbob42]

Originally Posted by Locutus

Is there any way to get in with this beta? or does it involve secret handshakes?

Actually, no - you just ask.

Knowing AmigaOS (the whole thing, not just Workbench) helps. Using real Amigas, too. Accepting that it's going to be work is a prerequisite. If you ever clicked through 300 fonts in Intellifont, then you know what I'm talking about.

Send me a PM, if you're still interested.

[Locutus]

Originally Posted by bubbob42

Send me a PM, if you're still interested.

sent

[Ffin]

Originally Posted by kolla

Don't we already have this in early startup?

You can disable drives at boot, but this has to be done at every reset, it's a long way from being an ideal solution. Another option is to put "assign DF0: dismount" in your startup-sequence, but this is just hiding the issue, not fixing it.

Originally Posted by kgc210

One option is you could buy the ROM when available and then make a custom ROM with it?
Although not sure on the DF0 bit, although do people use a floppy drive that often?

That assumes that ROMSplit and Remus will be updated to handle any changes in Kickstart, which is a big assumption since they havent been updated since 2010.


I'm sure some people do still use floppy disks, but I haven't used them for more than 15 years.

[gulliver]

Originally Posted by Ffin

That assumes that ROMSplit and Remus will be updated to handle any changes in Kickstart, which is a big assumption since they havent been updated since 2010.

You are wrong, last update was about a month and a half ago.

[Ffin]

Originally Posted by gulliver

You are wrong, last update was about a month and a half ago.

Those updates aren't listed on the website, where are they obtained from?

[Spacemonkey]

http://www.doobreynet.co.uk/beta/Remus_1.72b.lha

[Starglider 2]

Originally Posted by Starglider 2

My A500+ runs Workbench 3.1. Would this be a simple to run update file?

Please kindly advise.

[ajk]

@Starglider 2

Updating the ROM will require removing the existing chip from the motherboard and replacing it with a new one. The original chips are read only and can not be updated, and even in the case of an EPROM, the Amiga can't do it by itself, an external programming device is needed.

There are certain accelerators and expansions that make it possible to load the Kickstart from some more modern media (e.g. flash memory), in such a situation a software only update may be possible.

[Starglider 2]

Originally Posted by ajk

@Starglider 2

Updating the ROM will require removing the existing chip from the motherboard and replacing it with a new one. The original chips are read only and can not be updated, and even in the case of an EPROM, the Amiga can't do it by itself, an external programming device is needed.

There are certain accelerators and expansions that make it possible to load the Kickstart from some more modern media (e.g. flash memory), in such a situation a software only update may be possible.

Thanks. From what you're saying I think I've misunderstood that AmigaOS = Kickstart not Workbench, is that correct?

I have the Vampire 500+ v2 if that helps with the ROM update situation?

[ajk]

@Starglider 2

Well the terminology has fluctuated a bit over the years, but how I would put it is AmigaOS covers all aspects of the operating system: Kickstart (core libraries required for booting up a basic system, stored in the ROM), Workbench (the main graphical user interface portion with all the various tools and utilities) and AmigaDOS (the underlying disk operating system, command line based stuff).

What this 3.1.4 update exactly will cover I don't know, but odds are things will be fixed and updated in all of these segments and thus require a ROM update. Could you just use an updated Workbench loaded from disk but stick with the old ROM? Maybe. But many of the interesting updates such as robust >4GB disk support, 060 support etc. kinda require the changes in the ROM.

[Starglider 2]

Gotcha. I'd be interested in making a Retro Recipes video about it all when the time is right. Link in my bio.

[Amiga1992]

Going OT vigilante for a sec here, sorry.

Originally Posted by Starglider 2

Your friend in retro,
Chris aka ԹҽɾíƒɾɑϲԵíϲ
http://youtube.com/perifractic

Direct signatures are against EAB rules:
http://eab.abime.net/faq.php?faq=eab..._eab_signature
If you want to have a signature like that, add it as a signature in your User CP so other people who just want to read people's posts instead of spam can hide such stuff.

Also please stop spamming the boards otherwise. You have a thread for your uploads (this is why I suggested you making one like everyone else should), you don't have to post every other thread pointing to your youtube channel.

End of OT.

[Starglider 2]

Originally Posted by Akira

Going OT vigilante for a sec here, sorry.

Direct signatures are against EAB rules:
http://eab.abime.net/faq.php?faq=eab..._eab_signature
If you want to have a signature like that, add it as a signature in your User CP so other people who just want to read people's posts instead of spam can hide such stuff.

Also please stop spamming the boards otherwise. You have a thread for your uploads (this is why I suggested you making one like everyone else should), you don't have to post every other thread pointing to your youtube channel.

End of OT.

That isn't a signature. I manually typed it in to relay the YouTube channel that would feature the video, to the developer of AmigaOS. I think my posts above make my genuine interest clear, rather than being about spamming this thread. Apologies if I have caused some misunderstanding but I'm discussing an Amiga OS update on an Amiga forum and asking to feature it on a Commodore centric channel. It would be strange is I left the name of the channel secret, so I simply included it in the related 2 messages.

[Amiga1992]

Originally Posted by Starglider 2

That isn't a signature.

Yes, it is.
Read the rules.