Is Jens Schoenfeld (iComp) leaving the Amiga Scene? - Page 10

a4k-oerx · 12 March 2019, 00:27

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Originally Posted by Dynamic_Computi

Doug from 10 Minute Amiga Retro Cast here. I have spent a few days researching this topic, ... But I did some homework and found some interesting facts.

Thanks for your research. A small addition to that current message at amiga.com in case you don't know yet: Take a look at the html source of the page and find another rot13 scrambled message there...

Heiroglyph · 12 March 2019, 01:19

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Originally Posted by a4k-oerx

Thanks for your research. A small addition to that current message at amiga.com in case you don't know yet: Take a look at the html source of the page and find another rot13 scrambled message there...

The snake which cannot cast its skin has to die. As well the minds which are prevented from changing their opinions; they cease to be mind.

number6 · 12 March 2019, 01:58

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Originally Posted by Dynamic_Computi

Doug from 10 Minute Amiga Retro Cast here. I have spent a few days researching this topic, including communicating with Mike from Cloanto. If you have seen my past videos on my channel, you will know I have had some harsh words for Cloanto. But I did some homework and found some interesting facts. Please take a look if you have a chance.
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text summary of the purported email content from the vid

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Amon_RA · 12 March 2019, 09:57

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Originally Posted by grelbfarlk

Maybe he meant "Isn't P96 used by the RTG on the Vampire"? Which the answer is yes. Ostensibly he was originally asking, do the FPGA solutions which use RTG graphics use P96 and are they licensed?

Indeed, what I don't get is why Jens bought the P96 rights while others just use it without any issues. If Jens would be the one suing everyone he would have come after the Vampire guys too, right?

Marlon_ · 12 March 2019, 10:14

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Originally Posted by Amon_RA

Indeed, what I don't get is why Jens bought the P96 rights while others just use it without any issues. If Jens would be the one suing everyone he would have come after the Vampire guys too, right?

No, the old version is still for free. And the Vampire is not shipped with anything in regards to P96 whatsoever, so why should they? The vampire has a gfx chip, yes, but you need to install P96 in order to use it. Saying that vampire would have to pay for a license is like saying nvidia should too, because they make gfx chips.

On another note, the included kickstart rom in vampire is licensed and is included in the buying price of the accelerator.

Gorf · 12 March 2019, 10:15

No: P96 is not used by the RTG on the Vampire - at least not more than on any other gfx-card.
P96 CAN be used as a driver to talk to this hardware (here implemented on a FPGA).
So can any other driver software, like cgx in AROS

So it depends on what software/drivers the user installs on his Vampire and if he/she is happy with the old shareware or not.

Vampire Team never claimed to have a licensed version - In deed they officially do not distribute any version at all.
Cloanto distributes a licensed version of P96 and says so - Jens disagrees.

OlafSch · 12 March 2019, 11:28

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Originally Posted by grelbfarlk

Maybe he meant "Isn't P96 used by the RTG on the Vampire"? Which the answer is yes. Ostensibly he was originally asking, do the FPGA solutions which use RTG graphics use P96 and are they licensed?

Vampire is hardware with preinstalled ROM

P96 is (like OS and everything else) software so it is a strange question

E-Penguin · 12 March 2019, 23:39

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Originally Posted by dalek

I think Jens has missed a trick here

Reasonableness never got anyone anywhere in the post commodore madness

grelbfarlk · 12 March 2019, 23:47

Someone should have told Jens he only bought the right to see the source and compile his own versions of it. Actually maybe that's exactly and all he bought.

I checked Nvidia's page and didn't see a P96 driver. Apparently as long as you don't ship a floppy with a piece of hardware that has a full copy of P96 including the Adpro and other application drivers, there is no need to obtain a license.

In that case anyone can redistribute a P96 driver for their hardware, and tell users to just check Aminet for the other parts to it, assuming they can copy RAM:mydriver.chip to libs: picasso96. But if they can't do that, just say "hey that's way too complicated, here's a whole OS install with various licenses from 50 different developers, just copy that to a CF and boot it up!"

Good to know that this hubbub was all about nothing.

klx300r · 13 March 2019, 04:29

I don't know if I can take another red vs blue war

...hope iComp, Cloanto, & Hyperion don't make amigans pick sides yet again

Marlon_ · 13 March 2019, 08:57

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Originally Posted by klx300r

I don't know if I can take another red vs blue war

...hope iComp, Cloanto, & Hyperion don't make amigans pick sides yet again

Amigans had already started to pick sides long before this.

Hewitson · 13 March 2019, 09:28

I'm not on anyone's side. All 3 companies are a bunch of c**ts.

Signman · 13 March 2019, 14:41

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Originally Posted by Hewitson

I'm not on anyone's side. All 3 companies are a bunch of c**ts.

I keep looking at your profile and it states you are 36 years old. Is that a typo? 16 maybe?

gulliver · 13 March 2019, 20:09

Just relax, and enjoy our hobby and don't get caught by these animosities.

And if you don't like a company just don't buy their products, as simple as that.

Everything else is just another Amiga soap opera that you should discuss amicably, whilst enjoying a bag of popcorn, a glass of wine or whatever else floats your boat.

Pyromania · 13 March 2019, 21:33

@gulliver

I've never tried it but I heard Amiga drama is best served with some Mad Dog 20/20.

gulliver · 13 March 2019, 22:34

@Pyromania

They look interesting. Which one do you recommend I try?
I will need to ask the liquor store here to import one for me.

Devlin · 13 March 2019, 23:27

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Originally Posted by gulliver

Just relax, and enjoy our hobby and don't get caught by these animosities.

And if you don't like a company just don't buy their products, as simple as that.

Everything else is just another Amiga soap opera that you should discuss amicably, whilst enjoying a bag of popcorn, a glass of wine or whatever else floats your boat.

Just the popcorn for me. I've no soft spot for any of the companies involved but I'd rather it were solved amiably instead of the all-out war it seemingly has become.

slaapliedje · 19 March 2019, 02:55

We should settle this by sticking them all in a room to take turns playing the game Keep Talking, and Nobody Explodes in VR. Then maybe afterward they'll realize they should be working together to make more money instead of making the Amiga community explode like they're doing now.

Amicol · 19 March 2019, 19:27

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Originally Posted by slaapliedje

We should settle this by sticking them all in a room to take turns playing the game Keep Talking, and Nobody Explodes in VR. Then maybe afterward they'll realize they should be working together to make more money instead of making the Amiga community explode like they're doing now.

Well said

Leffmann · 19 March 2019, 19:37

The Amiga vultures coming to an agreement? I think they would sooner resort to cannibalism.

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12 March 2019, 10:15	#186
Gorf Registered User Join Date: May 2017 Location: Munich/Bavaria Posts: 2,294	No: P96 is not used by the RTG on the Vampire - at least not more than on any other gfx-card. P96 CAN be used as a driver to talk to this hardware (here implemented on a FPGA). So can any other driver software, like cgx in AROS So it depends on what software/drivers the user installs on his Vampire and if he/she is happy with the old shareware or not. Vampire Team never claimed to have a licensed version - In deed they officially do not distribute any version at all. Cloanto distributes a licensed version of P96 and says so - Jens disagrees.

12 March 2019, 23:47	#189
grelbfarlk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,902	Someone should have told Jens he only bought the right to see the source and compile his own versions of it. Actually maybe that's exactly and all he bought. I checked Nvidia's page and didn't see a P96 driver. Apparently as long as you don't ship a floppy with a piece of hardware that has a full copy of P96 including the Adpro and other application drivers, there is no need to obtain a license. In that case anyone can redistribute a P96 driver for their hardware, and tell users to just check Aminet for the other parts to it, assuming they can copy RAM:mydriver.chip to libs: picasso96. But if they can't do that, just say "hey that's way too complicated, here's a whole OS install with various licenses from 50 different developers, just copy that to a CF and boot it up!" Good to know that this hubbub was all about nothing.

13 March 2019, 04:29	#190
klx300r Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,593	I don't know if I can take another red vs blue war ...hope iComp, Cloanto, & Hyperion don't make amigans pick sides yet again

13 March 2019, 09:28	#192
Hewitson Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 41 Posts: 3,772	I'm not on anyone's side. All 3 companies are a bunch of c**ts.

13 March 2019, 20:09	#194
gulliver BoingBagged Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The South of nowhere Age: 46 Posts: 2,358	Just relax, and enjoy our hobby and don't get caught by these animosities. And if you don't like a company just don't buy their products, as simple as that. Everything else is just another Amiga soap opera that you should discuss amicably, whilst enjoying a bag of popcorn, a glass of wine or whatever else floats your boat.

13 March 2019, 21:33	#195
Pyromania Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 3,375	@gulliver I've never tried it but I heard Amiga drama is best served with some Mad Dog 20/20.

13 March 2019, 22:34	#196
gulliver BoingBagged Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The South of nowhere Age: 46 Posts: 2,358	@Pyromania They look interesting. Which one do you recommend I try? I will need to ask the liquor store here to import one for me.

19 March 2019, 02:55	#198
slaapliedje Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Utah, USA Posts: 516	We should settle this by sticking them all in a room to take turns playing the game Keep Talking, and Nobody Explodes in VR. Then maybe afterward they'll realize they should be working together to make more money instead of making the Amiga community explode like they're doing now.

19 March 2019, 19:37	#200
Leffmann Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,269	The Amiga vultures coming to an agreement? I think they would sooner resort to cannibalism.

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