DO OR DIE,x86 or ARM?

19 March 2014, 22:43

Hello Amiga friends,

I want your help to bring back Amiga on the right track and secure the future.
We desparately need new hardware wich is powerfull and cheap.
The current Hyperion and Amiga inc roads are dead end Streets.
We must reorganize and bring together all poeple who love Amiga,every last person,company and develper has to join and contribute in a joint effort.
We have to build a foundation just like rasperry PI.
There are two options port Amiga OS to x86 or ARM.
There are fantastic small and cheap ARM or x86 developer boards to choose from,these are also ver powerfull.
We have to take over power from Amiga Inc or they have to join the effort.
If we could manage to bring together every Amiga developer and company this port could be finished in record time,we have really no time to waste.
We have to make a poll and choose x86 or ARM.
Big names have to join this effort and make this a succes.
Otherwise we are doomed,let's bring back Amiga to the glory days.

killergorilla · 19 March 2014, 23:20

I just can't decide!

OMFG!

Loedown · 20 March 2014, 09:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by killergorilla

I just can't decide!

OMFG!

You really are a bad man

No point in reinventing the wheel, x86 already runs Amiga perfectly WinUAE.

ARM would be a better option but I don't know enough about it other than it probably doesn't have the bottlenecks that the old x86 architecture suffers from.

T_hairy_bootson · 20 March 2014, 10:46

No.

jbenam · 20 March 2014, 10:54

No need to sweat, hydragon!

I've got it all covered already

pandy71 · 20 March 2014, 13:11

Isn't AROS can run on ARM? (trough Linux but anyway it runs), later it can be ported natively especially that Broadcom opened GPU documentation and sources (i wrote news about this but seem it was not accepted by moderator on EAB).

I would say - x86 Intel is quite open (widely available documentation for GPU) thus there is a chance to have AROS running natively on x86 Intel, there is small chance to port AROS fully to ARM (Raspberry for today, in future perhaps other SoC when vendors decide to open HW documentation and sources).

TCD · 20 March 2014, 13:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by pandy71

I would say - x86 Intel is quite open (widely available documentation for GPU) thus there is a chance to have AROS running natively on x86 Intel

Er... AROS runs natively on x86: http://aros.sourceforge.net/introduc...386-and-x86-64

mr.vince · 20 March 2014, 19:17

We've had the same on a1k and locked the thread. Nice but naive idea unless you have (own) the source for OS and drivers. YES, it is very likely Hyperion and others will deliver the source and make it open...

TCD · 20 March 2014, 19:36

Let's say that we're aware of the potential problems with threads like this one and keep an eye on it

Very valid point about the legal issue(s). AROS again shows that it's possible (to a certain degree at least) to reimplement OS functions without having those problems. So in a way it would be reinventing the wheel not to favour AROS and help that project instead of creating something totally different.

pandy71 · 20 March 2014, 20:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCD

Er... AROS runs natively on x86: http://aros.sourceforge.net/introduc...386-and-x86-64

Yes i know about x86 and AROS - i've expressed myself not precisely - run natively mean access to GPU resources (at register level) not plain frame buffer as this is quite HW independent (my point was that Intel have policy to keep relatively open documents (not fully for example Grooveland embedded chips) but for example embedded GPU's are documented quite well).

bebek · 20 March 2014, 20:40

When it is going to end? In twenty years you will think: @OH s..t this Windows 7 was a very good system and loads of nice games and software but it is all gone now and we have something s..t instead. But I had spent all my time living in the past, thinking about some Emiga (or Omiga - I do not even remember it now) and I have missed it .Lets bring it back

. Lets join our efforts and rewrite Windows from the beginning ...

skan · 20 March 2014, 21:10

...or MIPS!

DonutKing · 20 March 2014, 22:52

I vote for SPARC.

kamelito · 21 March 2014, 09:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by bebek

When it is going to end? In twenty years you will think: @OH s..t this Windows 7 was a very good system and loads of nice games and software but it is all gone now and we have something s..t instead. But I had spent all my time living in the past, thinking about some Emiga (or Omiga - I do not even remember it now) and I have missed it .Lets bring it back

. Lets join our efforts and rewrite Windows from the beginning ...

ReactOS already do That.

Amiga1992 · 21 March 2014, 10:22

Oh, another Amiga Fan Fiction thread.

turrican3 · 21 March 2014, 10:27

Mi pov about this is that amiga os has a better basis than windows and if it was updated more often, it should still better than windows now and when i see the price of the amiga 1000, they should think to change the hardware behind the amigaos, but perhaps they know things we didn't and it's a little bit a dream that the amiga still have new hardware and software in 2014 even if everything won't go like we would. And i understand those who says that we should turn the page.But i can't forget what the amiga could have been today.I used the amigaos on a powerfull amiga4000 and it was a real pleasure, you felt under your fingers every mhz you had and i don't find this sensation with windows, don't forget the power we had under our fingers, it's normal that windows seems good now with ssd, ghz multi thread and impressive gfx card etc...

edited : before to think about to change the cpu of the amiga they should work on the support of flash, html 5 etc... the amigaos 4 still miss some must have featuresto be credible, if you go the x86 without some important features in the world of today, it's the end for them. If they think about to change the cpu and to be less underground they must first finish the amiga os 4.it's a little like if the amiga os still beta and i don't think they should change the cpu or make publicity about their work before everything is ready. No one of us know the final goal of hyperion and aeon perhaps they are making that for fun or perhaps they have a futur goal.

tomse · 21 March 2014, 11:37

what happend to using the a search to see if the question has been asked before?

killergorilla · 21 March 2014, 11:42

DO OR DIE...

Hmm... A difficult choice...

But with the options presented to me...

I choose DIE

tomse · 21 March 2014, 11:51

The new A3000

TCD · 21 March 2014, 12:05

I guess since the OP didn't reply at all we can consider this thread 'solved' now...

19 March 2014, 22:43	#1
hydragon Posts: n/a	DO OR DIE,x86 or ARM? Hello Amiga friends, I want your help to bring back Amiga on the right track and secure the future. We desparately need new hardware wich is powerfull and cheap. The current Hyperion and Amiga inc roads are dead end Streets. We must reorganize and bring together all poeple who love Amiga,every last person,company and develper has to join and contribute in a joint effort. We have to build a foundation just like rasperry PI. There are two options port Amiga OS to x86 or ARM. There are fantastic small and cheap ARM or x86 developer boards to choose from,these are also ver powerfull. We have to take over power from Amiga Inc or they have to join the effort. If we could manage to bring together every Amiga developer and company this port could be finished in record time,we have really no time to waste. We have to make a poll and choose x86 or ARM. Big names have to join this effort and make this a succes. Otherwise we are doomed,let's bring back Amiga to the glory days.

21 March 2014, 10:27	#16
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	Mi pov about this is that amiga os has a better basis than windows and if it was updated more often, it should still better than windows now and when i see the price of the amiga 1000, they should think to change the hardware behind the amigaos, but perhaps they know things we didn't and it's a little bit a dream that the amiga still have new hardware and software in 2014 even if everything won't go like we would. And i understand those who says that we should turn the page.But i can't forget what the amiga could have been today.I used the amigaos on a powerfull amiga4000 and it was a real pleasure, you felt under your fingers every mhz you had and i don't find this sensation with windows, don't forget the power we had under our fingers, it's normal that windows seems good now with ssd, ghz multi thread and impressive gfx card etc... edited : before to think about to change the cpu of the amiga they should work on the support of flash, html 5 etc... the amigaos 4 still miss some must have featuresto be credible, if you go the x86 without some important features in the world of today, it's the end for them. If they think about to change the cpu and to be less underground they must first finish the amiga os 4.it's a little like if the amiga os still beta and i don't think they should change the cpu or make publicity about their work before everything is ready. No one of us know the final goal of hyperion and aeon perhaps they are making that for fun or perhaps they have a futur goal. Last edited by turrican3; 21 March 2014 at 11:43.

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19 March 2014, 23:20	#2
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	I just can't decide! OMFG!

20 March 2014, 10:46	#4
T_hairy_bootson Workbitch 1.3 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 46 Posts: 2,084	No.

20 March 2014, 10:54	#5
jbenam Italian Amiga Zealot Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Italy Age: 36 Posts: 1,910	No need to sweat, hydragon! I've got it all covered already

20 March 2014, 13:11	#6
pandy71 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: PL? Posts: 2,741	Isn't AROS can run on ARM? (trough Linux but anyway it runs), later it can be ported natively especially that Broadcom opened GPU documentation and sources (i wrote news about this but seem it was not accepted by moderator on EAB). I would say - x86 Intel is quite open (widely available documentation for GPU) thus there is a chance to have AROS running natively on x86 Intel, there is small chance to port AROS fully to ARM (Raspberry for today, in future perhaps other SoC when vendors decide to open HW documentation and sources).

20 March 2014, 19:17	#8
mr.vince Cheesy crust Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hawk's Creek Age: 48 Posts: 1,383	We've had the same on a1k and locked the thread. Nice but naive idea unless you have (own) the source for OS and drivers. YES, it is very likely Hyperion and others will deliver the source and make it open...

20 March 2014, 19:36	#9
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,518	Let's say that we're aware of the potential problems with threads like this one and keep an eye on it Very valid point about the legal issue(s). AROS again shows that it's possible (to a certain degree at least) to reimplement OS functions without having those problems. So in a way it would be reinventing the wheel not to favour AROS and help that project instead of creating something totally different.

20 March 2014, 20:40	#11
bebek Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Poole UK Posts: 349	When it is going to end? In twenty years you will think: @OH s..t this Windows 7 was a very good system and loads of nice games and software but it is all gone now and we have something s..t instead. But I had spent all my time living in the past, thinking about some Emiga (or Omiga - I do not even remember it now) and I have missed it .Lets bring it back . Lets join our efforts and rewrite Windows from the beginning ...

20 March 2014, 21:10	#12
skan Dream Merchant Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dreamlands Posts: 530	...or MIPS!

20 March 2014, 22:52	#13
DonutKing Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 40	I vote for SPARC.

21 March 2014, 10:22	#15
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	Oh, another Amiga Fan Fiction thread.

21 March 2014, 11:37	#17
tomse We need more scans! Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Copenhagen / Denmark Age: 48 Posts: 326	what happend to using the a search to see if the question has been asked before?

21 March 2014, 11:42	#18
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	DO OR DIE... Hmm... A difficult choice... But with the options presented to me... I choose DIE

21 March 2014, 11:51	#19
tomse We need more scans! Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Copenhagen / Denmark Age: 48 Posts: 326	The new A3000

21 March 2014, 12:05	#20
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,518	I guess since the OP didn't reply at all we can consider this thread 'solved' now...

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