abime.net portal updated

RCK · 08 October 2002, 23:23

http://www.abime.net/

- less java
- more icons

Twistin'Ghost · 09 October 2002, 00:18

Frog · 09 October 2002, 00:23

cool

i hope to see a HOL preview before Xmas... yep i still believe in Santa Claus hehe

Ash · 09 October 2002, 04:32

I like it!

Amiga1992 · 09 October 2002, 05:37

Excellent!

Begone, useless JAVA

Miggy2TheMax · 09 October 2002, 06:38

second that, Java bites.

LordIvo · 09 October 2002, 12:23

Hey, Java doesn't bites! Only applets are a VERY twitchy in the IE browsers... thanks to M$

Drake1009 · 09 October 2002, 14:08

*cough* even though I only know how to program in Java and basic I'm still not too thrilled about Java for several reasons

1. It's too damn slow
2. It's being abused on webpages just like animated gifs and flash animations are
3. It's darn slow
4. MS java engine screws up on many simpler tasks.
5. It's darn slow.

LordIvo · 09 October 2002, 14:33

Sorry, but I must <strongly>disagree</strongly> on the speed issues here...

If you haven't been using the JDK1.4.1 or its runtime version ~ java plugin -- than yes, speed is a issue. New Sun's VM is using a lots of optimalisations in processing of your code ~ Java HotSpots and the speed is getting roughtly ~ 60-80% of the same routine as native C++ code.

However this doesn't apply much for applets as most of them are written in AWT (SWING is a bit faster) because they don't access system resources (sound, gfx, ...) directly due fact that Java is simply multiplatform language and you can't do nothing about it...

My usage of Java is purly J2EE ~ EJBs, servlets running on its own app server and must say that I also do some PHP/ASP programming but it doesn't come even closer in terms of speed, elegance of the language itself (proper OOP), code reusability, large commercial / opensource community and lots of other reasons -- simply nothing beats Java on this... (.net $ucks)

Drake1009 · 09 October 2002, 14:36

I don't think anyone here said .net didn't suck. And no I haven't tried 1.4. To keep up to date with the school's version of Java I'm still on 1.3 because upgrading might cause problems in projects programming when suddently some of the methods are deprecated which happens a lot between versions. For some reason the school still only has 1.2 JDK installed which means that a deal of times you can look up a routine name, and then end up getting told you can't use it anymore.

LordIvo · 09 October 2002, 14:43

Well, the speed diffrence between 1.2 and 1.4 is VERY significant, so you should give it a try...

And also try to avoid javac and use only jikes compiler as that improves performance!

RCK · 09 October 2002, 16:40

Java is gone in order to be compatible with all browsers. (amiga / nix / mac / opera light)

blackcornflake · 09 October 2002, 18:26

On the subject of browsers, does anyone else check out the server statistics? There are all sorts of really interesting stats, including one for browsers used to visit EAB. Surprisingly enough, IE is top by a mile.

OS used: of all visitors to EAB, only 0.4% use AmigaOS to get there. In contrast, Windows accounts for 96.2%.

I am part of the 0.4%.

RCK · 09 October 2002, 18:58

I'm proud that the Amiga users are before the linux one !

(september)
AmigaOS 13875 hits 0.4 %
Linux 10541 hits 0.3 %

CPC464 · 09 October 2002, 21:48

I was glad to see the WEB IRC and GOODIES pages added

Looking GREAT RCK

Twistin'Ghost · 10 October 2002, 00:10

Quote:

Originally posted by blackcornflake
On the subject of browsers, does anyone else check out the server statistics? There are all sorts of really interesting stats, including one for browsers used to visit EAB. Surprisingly enough, IE is top by a mile.

oh dear...

Miggy2TheMax · 10 October 2002, 04:59

Quote:

Originally posted by LordIvo
Well, the speed diffrence between 1.2 and 1.4 is VERY significant, so you should give it a try...

And also try to avoid javac and use only jikes compiler as that improves performance!

I'll give it a try, but I've had java fanatics tell me the same thing about 1.2 and how great that was... 80% speed of C++ is a big claim to make.

RCK, Thats a kewl stat, but it would have been great to see a larger percentage of amiga and linux users.

RCK · 10 October 2002, 11:30

you just have to use Amiga or Linux os/browsers as client for the web

it's up to users to change the stats.

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Drake1009 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,284	cough even though I only know how to program in Java and basic I'm still not too thrilled about Java for several reasons 1. It's too damn slow 2. It's being abused on webpages just like animated gifs and flash animations are 3. It's darn slow 4. MS java engine screws up on many simpler tasks. 5. It's darn slow.

09 October 2002, 14:33	#9
LordIvo Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: London Age: 49 Posts: 50	Sorry, but I must <strongly>disagree</strongly> on the speed issues here... If you haven't been using the JDK1.4.1 or its runtime version ~ java plugin -- than yes, speed is a issue. New Sun's VM is using a lots of optimalisations in processing of your code ~ Java HotSpots and the speed is getting roughtly ~ 60-80% of the same routine as native C++ code. However this doesn't apply much for applets as most of them are written in AWT (SWING is a bit faster) because they don't access system resources (sound, gfx, ...) directly due fact that Java is simply multiplatform language and you can't do nothing about it... My usage of Java is purly J2EE ~ EJBs, servlets running on its own app server and must say that I also do some PHP/ASP programming but it doesn't come even closer in terms of speed, elegance of the language itself (proper OOP), code reusability, large commercial / opensource community and lots of other reasons -- simply nothing beats Java on this... (.net $ucks)

09 October 2002, 14:36	#10
Drake1009 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,284	I don't think anyone here said .net didn't suck. And no I haven't tried 1.4. To keep up to date with the school's version of Java I'm still on 1.3 because upgrading might cause problems in projects programming when suddently some of the methods are deprecated which happens a lot between versions. For some reason the school still only has 1.2 JDK installed which means that a deal of times you can look up a routine name, and then end up getting told you can't use it anymore.

09 October 2002, 14:43	#11
LordIvo Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: London Age: 49 Posts: 50	Well, the speed diffrence between 1.2 and 1.4 is VERY significant, so you should give it a try... And also try to avoid javac and use only jikes compiler as that improves performance!

09 October 2002, 16:40	#12
RCK Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Paris / France Age: 45 Posts: 3,084	Java is gone in order to be compatible with all browsers. (amiga / nix / mac / opera light)

09 October 2002, 18:26	#13
blackcornflake Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cereal box Posts: 794	On the subject of browsers, does anyone else check out the server statistics? There are all sorts of really interesting stats, including one for browsers used to visit EAB. Surprisingly enough, IE is top by a mile. OS used: of all visitors to EAB, only 0.4% use AmigaOS to get there. In contrast, Windows accounts for 96.2%. I am part of the 0.4%.

09 October 2002, 18:58	#14
RCK Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Paris / France Age: 45 Posts: 3,084	I'm proud that the Amiga users are before the linux one ! (september) AmigaOS 13875 hits 0.4 % Linux 10541 hits 0.3 %

09 October 2002, 21:48	#15
CPC464 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: York Age: 54 Posts: 393	I was glad to see the WEB IRC and GOODIES pages added Looking GREAT RCK

10 October 2002, 11:30	#18
RCK Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Paris / France Age: 45 Posts: 3,084	you just have to use Amiga or Linux os/browsers as client for the web it's up to users to change the stats.

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